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WBraun
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Meaty ain't the one so back off.
None of you know who the real shitter is anyways. I met the real shitter again many years later and I can attest that he was a changed person.
He developed some physical disabilities to his body.
There's a lot more, but this isn't the time and place.
You all need to go home and heal, let life go on ........
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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One of Meaty's deleted posts:
WoS / PTPP, part XXVI (continued from XXV ) Jan 2, 2008, 08:49pm PST
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Meaty
climber
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"I think we're done now." from August 10 2006, posted by that moron Randy Wenzel
How many times have you been "done" you f*#king moron? Well over a year ago you made that post, you're a complete jackass and you have only begun to hear the slander you fool. Again, you have absolutely no clue who sh#t on those ropes but you spew lies and innuendo.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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"C'mon Joseph, you may give a rats ass what people say about how you put up a route, but you've got plenty to say about how others put up their routes."
Yeah, Off, no doubt about it - I have an o/c thing about folks damaging rock willy-nilly, and for what? And given I am out at the far end of that bell curve, so far I haven't heard a shred of evidence, from the folks who've bothered to look, that these guys chiseled, drilled, or bolted the line in any way beyond the standards of the day. Quite the contrary, sounds like they 'enhanced' it less than most of you guys would have on the same line of travel.
The only argument I've heard with a remote claim to merit is whether such lines should be climbed at all and I'd say a couple of guys from Looking Glass pretty much baked that one - unless of course you think they're light in NC.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Maybe only one person defecated directly onto their gear while it was at the base of the route, but according to Madbolter1's web site, "Once we finally got on the route again, teams of climbers ascended the nearby Aquarian Wall route so that they could get above us to "bomb" us with trash and bags filled with human defecation."
If this is correct, there is more then on shitter.
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Mimi
climber
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And flying monkeys blacked out the sun.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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There is always a "class clown" doing stupid stuff, and every time it happens, the "class comedian(s)" is/are there laughing and giving kudos, knowing it was their idea.
From an outsider's view, it seems that their is more than 1 "shiter"
The defacator is not the only guilty party. The word is abettor, and I would imagine that there are more of these than has been revealed/ presented.
Cards on the table, boys?
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WBraun
climber
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graniteclimber
Give it a rest dude. Back in those days it was common practice for just about everyone to throw their sh'it bags off the wall and their trash to be picked up and cleaned at the base after their ascent.
You're now the shitter, stiring up more sh'it.
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Da_Dweeb
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And flying monkeys blacked out the sun.
Then we will climb in the shade.
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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re:"And given I am out at the far end of that bell curve, so far I haven't heard a shred of evidence from the folks who've bothered to look that these guys chiseled, drilled, or bolted the line in any way beyond the standards of the day. Quite the contrary, sounds like they 'enhanced' it less than most of you guys would have on the same line of travel."
so then, just cause i am still trying to keep all of this straight, in your humble opinion, your point of view in 2008 is somehow more important or more enlightened than that of the people who actually were there at the time?
sorry pal, i am calling bullsh#t.
right or wrong, you cannot rewrite history 20+ years later.
resource protection is a passionate business, not a logical one, and by all acounts that was all the more so back in the era in question.
were you there?
are you just basing all of what you say on how you now feel about such things?
i am simply saying that doing so is invalid.
if you don't see that, well...
maybe as was suggested 200 posts ago, we can just agree to disagree.
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Mimi
climber
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Give them a light and they'll follow it anywhere...
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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
Fresno, CA
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Deleting his posts was nothing new. I mean, he deleted the post wherein he said who he was. Typical. It's old, it's tired. Meaty's old, I'm tired. I'm not Mark or Richard... Not nearly as level-headed when it comes to punks, nor as kind and forgiving.
Regardless of whether or not he was really there, Dimitri has shown that he's a shitter, regardless of when and where it happened. Spewing Internet tough guy syndrome, over and over... Veiled threats, etc. All talk, all hot air. Time to put up or shut up and quit trying to hide, you little bitch. Eventually, someone is gonna call his bluff and go shove their foot in his geriatric ass and push his teeth through the back of his head. That's the way it works with guys who don't know how to shut up when they're ahead.
`Nuff said there. Back to drinking some wine and having a good time.
And, Matt, you forgot about Dimitri's very first posts on ST, wherein he also called Bachar a liar and pathetic. Interesting.
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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so randy, you now are in the company of one mr. johnny bachar, you could do worse!
i am actually laughing out loud at meaty's posts as i read this, seems so out of left field. i especially like where he was getting mad at me for including him in a satirical summary.
(does prozac have a website where you can get a free sample for a guy like that? just a thought:)
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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"so then, just cause i am still trying to keep all of this straight, in your humble opinion, your point of view in 2008 is somehow more important or more enlightened than that of the people who actually were there at the time?"
Normally I'd wait for 300, but what the hell...
I'm going strictly by what people who have [recently] been on the route have said about it, versus the tired ocean of bullshit by folks who - then or now - have never been on it. If I ever do manage to make it down I'll be counting myself in that group regardless of how far I make it up the damn thing. It doesn't matter who you are, if you haven't actually been on the line, it's all [dubious] hearsay.
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Isn't it funny, too, that for someone who talks about everyone's need to let go and give it a rest, Wbraun just can't seem to help himself from sounding off? As memory serves, each time this topic comes back up he's posting about it all before anyone involved with WoS even has the chance. Doot dee doot dee doo, WoS? Oh boy! Let’s spew inane drivel like “All this WOS steel over hyped bullshit will remain for people with no real clue about what climbing is about. They want to remain in their private little world of controversy and self bias.” Now you want to come back and blather on about “healing” and letting go? Maybe you need to practice some detachment yourself.
To embrace a cause, to grow fond or spiteful is to lose one’s balance, after which no action can be trusted.
Also, STFU Matt. Nobody cares what you have to say.
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Give them a light and they'll follow it anywhere...
Set them alight, and they’ll be warm for the rest of their life.
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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300 posts?
This is blasphemy. This is madness!
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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"Isn't it funny, too, that for someone who talks about everyone's need to let go and give it a rest, Wbraun just can't seem to help himself from sounding off? As memory serves, each time this topic comes back up he's posting about it all before anyone involved with WoS even has the chance. Doot dee doot dee doo, WoS? Oh boy! Let’s spew inane drivel like “All this WOS steel over hyped bullshit will remain for people with no real clue about what climbing is about. They want to remain in their private little world of controversy and self bias.” Now you want to come back and blather on about “healing” and letting go? Maybe you need to practice some detachment yourself."
I've wondered about that myself.
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WBraun
climber
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There's 2 topics here dweeb WOS and slander.
Be my guest if you want to keep the slander going.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Werner: "Back in those days it was common practice for just about everyone to throw their sh'it bags off the wall and their trash to be picked up and cleaned at the base after their ascent."
Was it also common practice to climb up over another team just to throw their sh'it bags down on top of them?
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WBraun
climber
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You are speculating ....
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