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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 24, 2012 - 05:39pm PT
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Cool Justin! Watch out I will take you up on that!!!
Jumping on the plane now. Damn I don't wanna leave!!!!
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Oct 24, 2012 - 06:10pm PT
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Please stay.......
This has been a most entertaining trip.
Thanks
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 25, 2012 - 12:11am PT
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Ya Silver!!!!! So good to meet you dude!!! Next time I'm buying!!! Should seen donner pass what a joke! I've never put chains on with less than 6 inches of snow. They made us put them on for wet pavement!!!! Retarded!!!
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chill
climber
between the flat part and the blue wobbly thing
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Oct 25, 2012 - 12:45am PT
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They made us out them on for wet pavement!!!! Retarded!!! I don't think there is any contest here, when it comes to dealing with snow the Canucks are going to beat us every time!
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 25, 2012 - 01:04am PT
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Sh!t blew my mind!!!! Chains are a hazard on wet pavement they slide way more than rubber?? Who the heck is running that show????
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John M
climber
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Oct 25, 2012 - 01:10am PT
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there are a number of problems in the Sierras. The conditions change very quickly and there are so many drivers who don't know how to drive in winter conditions because they live in a place that never gets snow. How much snow does the bay area get? haha.. It is not uncommon for the conditions to change and in 20 minutes they have 30 or 40 or even more accidents and the road can be closed for 2,3,4 or more hours. So they tend to error on the side of caution to keep the road open. Thats why people who live in the mountains opt for 4 wheel drives with snow tires. No need for chains.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Oct 25, 2012 - 01:11am PT
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Easy there Michael. You're a guest in their country, and you shouldn't make fun of them.
I know that's an impossible task, but you should at least try.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 25, 2012 - 01:20am PT
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I've done pretty good so far... Just couldn't resist that one. Seriously felt way sketch with chains on wet pavement.... Sorry we missed you tonight Dave!!!
I have winter tires on my ride here for the same reason but obviously am not going to get that on a rental in Sacramento... They told me I wasn't allowed to put chains on their car and that I should have waited it out or got an awd.. WTF????
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John M
climber
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Oct 25, 2012 - 01:27am PT
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I would hate to be the person who decides chain control on 80. You can't win. If you leave the control sign off and conditions change, then you have 50 accidents and the experienced drivers complain because they are sitting on the side of the road. If you put the control sign up and the conditions change back to wet roads then everyone complains. They need two roads. One for experienced snow drivers and one for the rest, but even that wouldn't work. I can't tell you how many people come to the park with snow driving experience and wreck.
"we are from back east. we drive in the snow all the time. we didn't think that we needed chains".
It snows 8 inches in 30 minutes and CRASH.. 35 accidents. Half of them with drivers who "know how to drive in the snow".
you can't win.. so you complain on a forum.. haha
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 25, 2012 - 01:41am PT
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Totally. I get it. We have the same problem on the sea to sky with Vancouver drivers and probably should do more chain controls....
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Oct 25, 2012 - 01:46am PT
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What about hillbilly controls, for country folk coming into the city? Not quite sure what we'd make them do, but anything so they get with the program and drive like normal city beings. Psychotic pedal to the metal tailgating redlight running pedestrian disregarding unsignalling freaks.
I got stopped at chain control on I-5 north of Redding once. What a fuss! I had four new snow tires and BC plates, but they still made me put on my chains. I took them off about five km upp the road, and toodled gently on my way.
Some of those little places must make a ton on flogging overpriced chains, tows, and so on in the winter. Good for them!
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John M
climber
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Oct 25, 2012 - 01:47am PT
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Glad you had a good trip. Other then the chain controls.. which we by the way put up specifically for Canadians. There is a special symbol that they put up so that Californians know when the chain control sign is for real. Maybe next trip I will let you in on it. But first we had to see how you behaved on this trip.. heh heh..
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John M
climber
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Oct 25, 2012 - 01:48am PT
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MH.. its the hillbillies that stop on the on ramps and don't know how to merge that bug me the most. Plus doing 45 mph in the fast lane..
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Oct 25, 2012 - 02:30am PT
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When I lived in Mammoth, the most dangerous drivers were the ones with 4WD SUVs. It made being a pedestrian a dangerous thing in the winter.
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Oct 25, 2012 - 03:58am PT
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I think that Big Mike passed me on the highway just over an hour or so ago.
Welcome home boys, glad you had an awesome trip! Love that corner crack at the happies, with that thumb up lock it is sooo fun. Solarium too. Can't believe you guys didn't hit in & out in Carson & went for casino scetti instead!
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 25, 2012 - 05:28am PT
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Ryand-Relic was set on it and I didn't get my in-n-out this trip!! Dammit!!!!!!
Gotta go back let's go!!!!!
Wayno- Weekenders!! ;)
John m- Thanks. I should have thought of Anders tactic when the other lane was closed all the way and I could have easily pulled over...
Around here they decided they don't want to designate the sea to sky a mountain highway so chain controls aren't mandatory although maybe they should be... We have quite a few accidents every winter on the Sea to Sky....
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Oct 25, 2012 - 08:12am PT
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"it's only Canada. But at least there's snow."--Snow-Shovel Face and the Elves
That's a post from the dynamite thread by eKat, *IT'S SNOWING* http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1959886&tn=40
Tim is my younger bro and has had a chainer's permit for at least twenty-five years. He loves the way the system works and he has no time for jerks.
He is full of smart-ass stories about loser drivers who think they can even handle a car let alone drive one in the car-swallowing drifts which caused the State to post this latest "chains mandatory" alert/warning/joke.
But like the CHP said, "Keep it moving, please."
Reality STV: It's better than Snookie!
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Relic
Social climber
Vancouver, BC
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Oct 25, 2012 - 12:51pm PT
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I can't wait to come back eastside. Such a great trip. It was so nice to meet you guys. Wayno and Silver were total stand up guys. Thanks for helping us out so much. You guys rule!
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Hoser
climber
vancouver
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Oct 25, 2012 - 02:09pm PT
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Around here they decided they don't want to designate the sea to sky a mountain highway so chain controls aren't mandatory although maybe they should be... We have quite a few accidents every winter on the Sea to Sky....
Thats not true, in fact there is no highway out of Van that is not designated winter tire or chains required. I have seen folks turned around before, you either need the mountain snowflake symbol or chains on Sea to sky.
Welcome home
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 26, 2012 - 03:18am PT
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Actually Hoser you're wrong.
**Mountain highway designation likely dead
Would have required snow tires on Sea to Sky at all times
by Andrew Mitchell | October 15, 2010**
A resolution to designate the Sea to Sky Highway as a mountain highway has been bouncing around since 2003, but after it received no support at the recent Union of B.C. Municipalities convention in Whistler, the resolution is likely dead.
"This was our last ditch attempt," said Mayor Ken Melamed.
Melamed said the original call for the mountain highway designation was in 2003 after a series of blizzards and accidents that shut down the highway for hours. Stakeholders, including Sea to Sky communities, the Squamish-Lillooet Regional District, RCMP and highway contractors asked for a resolution in support of mountain highway status to prompt the province to intervene. Melamed said the UBCM's support could have helped, but it would have been the Government of B.C.'s decision whether to support that resolution.
Among other things, a mountain highway designation would make it easier for authorities to close the road to vehicles without snow tires or chains during snowstorms or when snow is on the ground or in the forecast. It also makes it easier to close the highway for plows if necessary.
While there was some concern that a mountain highway designation could hamper the number of visitors to Whistler from areas like Vancouver and Seattle where snow is a rarity, those rules would only apply during certain conditions.
"The question was asked if this would have been a barrier for people to get to Whistler, but my understanding is that most people in the resort and tourism sector were in favour of greater safety on the highway," said Melamed. "There was a period in the past where the highway was closed up to six hours at a time with multiple crashes on icy roads.
"The reality is that, over years of trying to explore this, the mountain highway designation is not something that is easy to achieve or thought to be the best solution - and there was no support from the Ministry of Transportation."
More here:
http://www.piquenewsmagazine.com/whistler/mountain-highway-designation-likely-dead/Content?oid=2169183
I've lived here on the coast for most of my life and whistler for fifteen years so I have some clue what I'm talking about. They do chain controls sometimes when it's really bad but it's not mandatory that they do and a lot of people run into trouble when they come up and it's nice, then the weather changes on them on the way back down as there are never chain controls leaving Whistler.
Our plowing setup is amazing too, I've driven bare pavement on the sea to sky and then jumped on the ferry to the island and been sketched out by the other drivers on super icy roads, because they don't have enough plows and it doesn't usually snow there very
much....
Thanks for the bump buddy!
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