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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Jan 25, 2016 - 06:27pm PT
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I will give you a hint:
The word is cleverly hidden in this Los Angeles street name:
La Cienaga Boulevard
When backwoods Billy-Bobs pronounce La Cienaga, it is phonetically identical to the word.
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d-know
Trad climber
electric lady land
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Jan 25, 2016 - 08:34pm PT
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Quit playing
uncle Tom.
Tell us
for real
what the N
means.
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d-know
Trad climber
electric lady land
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Jan 25, 2016 - 08:48pm PT
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Okay pee head.
You tell me what
the N means.
Love and respect.
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d-know
Trad climber
electric lady land
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Jan 25, 2016 - 09:18pm PT
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Type it out for
real pea head.
Want me to
do it
for you?
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d-know
Trad climber
electric lady land
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Jan 25, 2016 - 09:26pm PT
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I see.
You think your
one of the
good ol boys.
Pathetic.
Just like
duh chump.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Jan 25, 2016 - 10:17pm PT
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The thing about his success is that he has no problem expressing what a lot of people believe after spending their lives being told they're illegitimate socially by more academically privileged people. Um... I couldn't disagree more strongly, but I'd love to hear your explanation of the bold statement above.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jan 25, 2016 - 11:41pm PT
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He's also a draft dodger, the other two are chickenhawks.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jan 25, 2016 - 11:42pm PT
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I've seen a lot of bombast, self promotion, and over the top characterization in his life to this point, but lies Jim, really?
It may not be pretty, but he is speaking the truth in this campaign that others are too chickenshet to vocalize. We'll soon see if his huge base of diverse supporters can actually channel their enthusiasm to caucuses and primary turnout.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jan 25, 2016 - 11:55pm PT
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...but lies Jim, really?
Seriously?
Trump's statements by ruling
True...................1 (1%)(1)
Mostly True.......5 (6%)(5)
Half True.........14 (17%)(14)
Mostly False...14 (17%)(14)
False...............33 (39%)(33)
[ politifact ]
The ‘King of Whoppers': Donald Trump
He dominates our annual review of political falsehoods.
[ factcheck.org ]
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Jan 26, 2016 - 01:16am PT
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Trump's latest blatant lie:
He tells an audience, "I could stand on Fifth Avenue and shoot someone (points finger like a gun to the crowd) and I wouldn't lose any votes."
On CNN, Wolf Blitzer asks him about this. Trump dismisses the question, saying that the comments came from the "dishonest press". Pressed further with the question, Trump says, "You know I was joking. I was laughing when I said it. It was a joke. I was laughing, the crowd was laughing. Everybody in the room was laughing. We were having a good time."
However, in the video of his "I can shoot someone on Fifth Avenue" speech, it clearly shows that Trump is not laughing. Throughout this entire segment, Trump is stone-cold serious in what he is saying. He never laughs, and never smiles. A few people from the audience can be heard laughing, but Trump remains stoic the entire time.
What Trump told Wolf Blitzer was a blatant lie. Trump is a LIAR.
Worse, Trump is a narcissistic sociopath who declares that he can commit murder on a New York City street, and get away with it.
Then, Trump reinvents the video to be a product of the "dishonest press", in an effort to evade scrutiny of his statement.
Trump then attempts to use the Orwellian reality-control technique of revising history to confirm and validate his fraudulent narrative.
All of this took place while Trump was being filmed. He is truly mentally ill, to believe that the power of his lies overcomes the power of the video film.
Trump's self image seems to be that of a magical, or God-like entity, capable of changing reality by simply making a false statement.
Here are the relevant videos. Sorry for the ad spots.
CNN VIDEO: Trump says, "I could stand on Fifth Avenue and shoot someone, and not lose any votes."
CNN VIDEO: Trump tells Wolf Blitzer, "I was laughing when I said that. I was joking. The whole room was laughing. We were having a good time.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Jan 26, 2016 - 01:35am PT
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He has exploited a political slipstream that resonates with a majority of disenfranchised Americans. Interesting.
Disenfranchised? From my perspective, the only disenfranchised people in America who are attracted the Trump are the ones who feel they should still be allowed to own slaves and lynch black people on sight.
I don't want these people in my country, so let them be disenfranchised. They're becoming a smaller and smaller minority anyway, albeit more vocal. I call it their "death rales."
Anyone who supports Trump is not welcome in America.
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nah000
climber
no/w/here
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Jan 26, 2016 - 06:11am PT
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i don't know if you've said some or all of that previously, Brennan, but those three posts above have some of the most succinct and insightful analysis regarding trump, salesmanship, disenfranchisement, the working class and a continued growing political reality in the u.s. that i've seen anywhere. thank you for putting a few things, that i hadn't quite been able, into words as well as making a few points i hadn't considered:
"...with an ability to make anyone feel like he's offering them a drink..."
"...he has no problem expressing what a lot of people believe after spending their lives being told they're illegitimate socially by more academically privileged people."
"Tump is the first candidate to not insult his voter base by offering a Utopian ideal of what their life could be VS what their life is."
"Trump made it a point of pride in his "Art of the Deal" book that lying and cheating come first and if you don't like it, you're not cut out for business in the first place."
[with emphasis added]
from this perspective, trump's candidacy is the most emotionally rooted of all of the candidates. [by saying that, it shouldn't be interpreted as my disproportionately discrediting his campaign.]
and so i'd agree/argue that his candidacy is based on an almost purely emotional exchange. while this is true of all candidacies to one degree or another, with trump it has reached an almost apex [or nadir depending on how you look at it.]
the emotional exchange also helps explain "what's in it for trump?" while he is, of course, not going to refuse the power and potential for making money that comes with the presidency, i'd argue that ultimately there is an emotional void in trump that gets filled by crowds of people showing up to love/support him, by his polls being "uuuuuge" and etc. and so for him it's not really about what he can directly get financially but rather it is what he is getting in this present moment and will get in the future, emotionally.
on the other hand the crowds get someone who emotionally acknowledges what they, as the less educated and working class, have been told their entire life either directly through emotional/social language [that they are less legitimate and less valuable] or indirectly through financial language [that they are less legitimate and less valuable]
and trump tells them exactly what they want to hear:
"all of these political elite have lied to you" [this is the truth, as they have been lied to: if not unabashed lies than at minimum presidential candidates always run on what they hope to do, by saying that they will do it, when if they were honest they'd acknowledge that the structure of the democracy of the u.s. doesn't allow for idealistic exploration]
"it's not your fault, it's the lying political elite's fault" [a partial lie: leaders and followers are always in it together and they always share responsibility]
"you think it's all of the immigrants faults? i'll build you a wall. i'll keep the muslims out." [another partial lie and partial truth: the lie is that i don't think trump really believes, as one example, that it's really about immigrants. you just have to look to his history as a new yorker and a businessman at the top of an industry [construction] that very regularly doesn't give two hoots about a person's papers as long as they'll exchange life force for some green paper, to be suspicious of the obvious. the truth part is that trump probably would try to build a wall. hell he might even succeed at it...]
and from this vein i also disagree with SLR's: "They're becoming a smaller and smaller minority anyway, albeit more vocal."
i don't believe this is true from two angles.
first, the obvious angle: they are in the process of taking over one party within the u.s.
i'm not aware of this happening to this degree before. while this voice really started to be expressed with palin [it makes a thousand per cent rational sense that she would back trump as they are peas in a pod politically] it did not have near the backing then, that it does now.
secondly, there is a larger majority that the trumpites are a part of that both groups of supporters would renounce whole heartedly.
that is because i'd argue, as others have, that trump and bernie are also, at a very base level, birds of a political feather.
and i'll paraphrase something JEleazarian said somewhere on this board that succinctly sums up that connection:
they both believe it's a zero sum game.
trump is running in part on the idea, that america is being stolen from, by those who are below.
whereas bernie is running in part on the idea, that america is being stolen from, by those who are above.
neither are primarily true.
america has, in the last fifty years at least, been stolen from, primarily, by those who are in the middle. [edited this as the way i originally worded it was quite confusing]
if you think it's wo/men in boardrooms who demand that bananas be 49 cents a pound regardless of whether they come from banana republics or not, you don't understand business, you don't understand capitalism and you don't understand the intelligence of the wo/men in the boardrooms.
america always gets what it votes for: whether that vote is done with a ballot or with a greenback.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Jan 26, 2016 - 06:19am PT
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S(pud), drinking does not enhance your posting skills. Give it a rest, dude.
Trump is not going to be the next president. Hillary is. Forum Bully may be right about a large percentage of Americans being stupid, just not most voters.
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Gary
Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
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Jan 26, 2016 - 06:56am PT
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america has, in the last fifty years at least, been stolen from, primarily, from the middle.
Yet the wealth of the nation becomes more and more concentrated at the top.
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nah000
climber
no/w/here
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Jan 26, 2016 - 07:36am PT
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Gary wrote: "Yet the wealth of the nation becomes more and more concentrated at the top."
agreed.
the point is what is the vehicle for that concentration...
if one thinks the vehicle is primarily upper class greed, i'd disagree with the word primarily.
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Gary
Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
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Jan 26, 2016 - 07:49am PT
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nah000, I get your point now. I read your statement as meaning the middle has been doing the stealing. The lower and working class has already been beat down starting back with the "Reagan Economic Miracle" which consisted if gutting unions, cutting wages and benefits and relocating jobs. Now it's the middle class's turn.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Jan 26, 2016 - 07:55am PT
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Anyone who supports Trump is not welcome in America.
That's not a factual statement. You could revise it to be an indication of your opinion, which you're entitled to, but you don't have the authority to choose who is, and who is not, welcome in "America."
Were it me, I would have written "I am fairly dumbfounded by the idea that someone would actually support Trump as a presidential candidate, and if I ever meet such a person, it will sadden me greatly to have to revise my opinion of them on several levels."
You know - I actually do not know a SINGLE person who has stated they support Trump. Even those that I know, who stand GOP, have not declared support. Should Trump win the nomination, I think they will cast a vote in his favor, just as many Democrats will do the same for Hillary Clinton, though they wish there was a different candidate in her stead.
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nah000
climber
no/w/here
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Jan 26, 2016 - 09:56am PT
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sorry Gary... that was some painful wording on my part. i reworded it in the original post, because i think you understood it correctly in your first post.
i am saying that the primary vehicle for the gutting of the u.s. middle class is the middle class themselves. that said, just because they are the primary cause and the primary victims, doesn't mean they are the primary beneficiaries...
greed can be a bit of a bitch that way.
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John M
climber
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Jan 26, 2016 - 10:07am PT
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Trump's statement about being able to kill someone and his voters still being willing to vote for him is less about him and more of an indictment of those who would vote for him. They are so enamored of him that it doesn't matter what he does, they will still vote for him. That is a scary kind of power.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Jan 26, 2016 - 02:04pm PT
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It seems to me that Trump's platform consists of two planks:
1) Spite.
2) Greed.
It sickens me that many people appear to feel that it is acceptable for a candidate for the presidency of the U.S. to promote these values.
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