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High Fructose Corn Spirit
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Mar 28, 2016 - 07:48am PT
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It's not surprising that you ran to a religious bigot like Maher for support. -hddj
"a religious bigot like Maher"
Laughable. So pathetically misinformed.
Really, what more is there to say when your post speaks so much for itself.
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Except... You hddj are proof - apparently from the liberal side- that partisan politics is now so shallow and virulent and feckless one can't even have a high school level conversation in these ideas and subjects.
Atheist god help us.
So now I know what quartile of the left hddj trumps from. Thanks.
I've grown so sick and tired - more BORED actually - of this "layer of liberal obscurantism" that surrounds these important topics. Important topics that existed long long before this shallow and virulent American partisanship grew into what we see today.
Bill Maher a religious bigot? lol
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Mar 28, 2016 - 08:12am PT
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Pyro has called you out.
Your map that you posted. Let's have the truth, did you create it or was it copped off some news website as is?
Escopeta Norton had fun making a false map then believed the MAP!
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Mar 28, 2016 - 08:15am PT
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Here hddj, why not educate yourself in this matter....
[Click to View YouTube Video]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWNv97yq4Fc
FYI (1) Asra Nomani is a leading voice in the world for reforming Islam (you know, the Islam currently at war with itself?). (2) One of her biggest obstacles she says: the so-called "regressive left." (Of which Ben Affleck is the poster boy.)
Hmm, which mantra you like best?
(1) "Improve liberal democracy through education."
(2) "Improve liberal democracy through consciousness raising."
Beta: hddj, maybe back away from salon.com otherwise partisan politics for awhile? Maybe read some science books? Sagan?
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HighDesertDJ
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 28, 2016 - 08:15am PT
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HFCS posted Bill Maher a religious bigot? lol
Maybe you don't understand what "bigot" means? Or maybe you just don't know who Bill Maher is?
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Mar 28, 2016 - 08:18am PT
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Really, you post at a level no higher than the tweets of Trump. At least that's the impression so far.
Aughh, you've bored me.
Maher is no more a religious bigot than Dawkins, Tyson or Sagan. You know these people? Or Asra above.
If you have any evidence of Maher as a religious bigot, let's hear it. Otherwise the charge is baseless and you're just pumping bullshit for partisan sake.
Bill Maher is a religious critic, fully justified, because religions need criticism on at least a half dozen fronts, whether it is Christianity or Islam or some other iron-age era superstition peddler.
Grow up.
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HighDesertDJ
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 28, 2016 - 08:18am PT
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Thanks for illustrating clearly to everyone what media-centric world views do to people. You keep ranting about things that I have no knowledge of. You are apparent sick of something that you are projecting as vehemently and energetically on the world (and onto me) as you possibly can. Maybe take it down five or six notches? You aren't even arguing with me you are arguing with some fictitious personally created liberal straw man in your head. Take it easy.
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Responding to your edits: Maher's a bigot. He prejudges people based on their religion. He has no objectivity on the issue and even made a movie dedicated to the subject. Lumping in Sagan with Dawkins and Maher is absurd and even Dawkins is probably a cut above Maher. He clearly appeals to your need to smugly condescend to people but I generally find his views and criticism of religion and religious people to be poorly thought out and quick to generalize in a way that were someone talking about race or gender would draw swift condemnation from Maher.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
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Mar 28, 2016 - 08:21am PT
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about things that I have no knowledge of
My point exactly.
Why not dig into things a little deeper before spouting off.
You aren't even arguing with me
God, you're just full of bullsh#t. Is it just this week or all the time, that is what I'm trying to discover here.
I'm all for... ad ideam (to the idea) instead of ad hominem.
You're the one who called Bill Maher the "religious bigot"? (I think it's last page of this thread.)
lol
fictitious personally created liberal straw man in your head
Straw man?
You did or did not call Bill Maher a religious bigot? The name calling points points to fundamental differences, hardly your "fictitious personally-created" straw man argument.
Who are you? O. M. G.
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HighDesertDJ
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 28, 2016 - 08:26am PT
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HFCS frothed My point exactly.
Why not dig into things a little deeper before spouting off.
Salon.com and Ben Affleck. I know little of these things that you are so eager to ascribe to me. I'm not spouting off about any of them and I'll leave it to you. I've seen plenty of Bill Maher though.
HFCS posted I'm all for... ad ideam (to the idea) instead of ad hominem.
You sure about that?
If you have any evidence of Maher has a religious bigot, let's hear it. Otherwise the charge is baseless and you're just pumping bullshit for partisan sake.
Do you not understand what "partisan" means either?
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Mar 28, 2016 - 08:29am PT
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I know little of these things
Yes, this is apparently very true.
You know what, I'm bored now.
Have a good one.
For the millionth trillionth time...
[Click to View YouTube Video]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vln9D81eO60
So far, you remind of Ben Affleck.
The way one educates himself in this matter is to (actually) read up the literature in the follow-up to this Maher Harris Affleck (even Cenk Uygur) exchange. Otherwise one's pretty uninformed / misinformed. Those are the facts.
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HighDesertDJ
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 28, 2016 - 08:31am PT
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Oh no. Wait. Come back. Preferably after you get a dictionary.
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HighDesertDJ
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 28, 2016 - 08:39am PT
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Agreed. It's become "something I'm against." People can't even define it all they know is that it's "something liberals do that I hate."
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
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Mar 28, 2016 - 08:39am PT
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"Maher's a bigot. He prejudges people based on their religion. He has no objectivity on the issue and even made a movie dedicated to the subject. Lumping in Sagan with Dawkins and Maher is absurd and even Dawkins is probably a cut above Maher. He clearly appeals to your need to smugly condescend to people but I generally find his views and criticism of religion and religious people to be poorly thought out and quick to generalize in a way that were someone talking about race or gender would draw swift condemnation from Maher." -hddj
Seriously, you could write for salon. lol
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HighDesertDJ
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 28, 2016 - 08:43am PT
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Thanks!
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Mar 28, 2016 - 08:58am PT
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God, you're just full of bullsh#t. Is it just this week or all the time, that is what I'm trying to discover here.
How was your nap Mr. Van Winkle?
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HighDesertDJ
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 28, 2016 - 09:20am PT
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Bigotry has nothing to do with facts, its defined as an intolerance of those holding different opinions. Maher has plenty of reasons to believe what he believes, but they are intolerant views that do not allow for the validity of people of faith and he takes great pains to make that clear whenever given the opportunity. One can rationally hold the view that religion can be and has been used for dangerous purposes without concluding that all religion is dangerous or that all religious people are crazy/stupid. Maher has frequently expressed those types of views.
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John M
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Mar 28, 2016 - 09:32am PT
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Bigotry has nothing to do with facts, its defined as an intolerance of those holding different opinions. Maher has plenty of reasons to believe what he believes, but they are intolerant views that do not allow for the validity of people of faith and he takes great pains to make that clear whenever given the opportunity. One can rationally hold the view that religion can be and has been used for dangerous purposes without concluding that all religion is dangerous or that all religious people are crazy/stupid. Maher has frequently expressed those types of views.
bingo..
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
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Mar 28, 2016 - 10:51am PT
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"sounds like HFCS's kind of guy" -Milktoast
Bill Maher is my kind of guy. Proud to identify with him.
Milktoast, you're hilarious.
Milktoast, the guy who's got no beliefs ( by his own admission and proud), can't tell a Wahhabi from a wallaby.
Note one man's critic is another's "bigot". One man's challenging criticism is another's "insulting" criticism.
It's so so easy for partisans to chuck around "bigot" and "islamophobe" and "racist". Partisan zealots all the more so. Too easy. Why not raise your game?
Did you learn anything from the afore Asra Nomani video? Did you even bother?
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Moose, there was no name-calling or swearing or yelling on my part. Certainly not to ST's norms, so I don't know what you're talking about.
btw, "bigot" has its roots squarely in religions. Ironic how it's now being used outside religious circles by nonreligious people against nonreligious people.
(2) I haven't heard of Maher attempting to get people ostracized from town or arrested for working on the Sabbath; or refusing to buy from the good ol time Christian shoppes; let alone condoning the chopping off of heads or the throwing of gays off buildings.
So far he's only exhibited my kind of religious criticism. He draws the lines perfectly.
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John M
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Mar 28, 2016 - 11:04am PT
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Really, you post at a level no higher than the tweets of Trump. At least that's the impression so far.
perhaps you didn't directly call him an idiot, but you certainly implied it. Is it tame by ST standards? Perhaps.. but that doesn't make you a saint.
People might listen more to what you said if you didn't drip sarcasm and superiority.
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Dingus is right about politically correct. It goes both ways. OH my goodness, Hillary didn't use the term you want her to, so she is weak. Thats being politically correct. You are trying to force her to use terms you accept as "okay".
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
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Mar 28, 2016 - 11:05am PT
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"Dingus is right about politically correct. It goes both ways."
Duh.
John M, I thought we had agreed several years ago to stop addressing each other. -As the conversation was totally feckless if not utterly boring and tedious.
I liked that arrangement.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
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Mar 28, 2016 - 11:16am PT
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(1) "imaginary fictitious ideas" Now is that bigotry or criticism? bigotry or fact?
(2) "defining ourselves tribally" Now is that inaccurate or accurate?
(3) "We have to get out of this game..." I don't know, sounds secular and innovative and progressive to me. Sounds challenging, not "insulting" to me.
One anthrope's meat is another's poison, eh?
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