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Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber

Aug 22, 2017 - 03:08pm PT

Cosmic - IF it were to come to pass that DT is found guilty of human trafficking, what would be your response? Would that be the straw that finally had you accepting that he is a charlatan? Or would you continue to believe he was being railroaded by fake news and a victim of conspiracy?

guyman

Social climber

Moorpark, CA.

Aug 22, 2017 - 03:49pm PT

I would pick B also....

So it was Russia

Now its Race

Next is Sex...

Norton

Social climber

Aug 22, 2017 - 04:00pm PT

^^^ both of them, pretty shockingly ignorant, eh Happygirl ?

but like the leader they "adore" said - "I can shoot someone on 3rd avenue and would not lose any supporters"

think about that

thebravecowboy

climber

The Good Places

Aug 22, 2017 - 05:09pm PT

hey. bro, how would pisssonus drupmf do for us on thos proj? I hav some ideas. including cement time capsules that'll outlast brevedigits dickface

NutAgain!

Trad climber

South Pasadena, CA

Topic Author's Reply - Aug 22, 2017 - 07:31pm PT

Dingus, I think you're pretty close to the mark. But maybe there is a way to explain it- I think the best models might be something like cellular automata theory with a small set of defined cell types (personalities) and defined behaviors for interaction with neighbor cells which represent relationships. Maybe some modification instead of just a 2D plane or a 3D surface on which the cells are bound, maybe include separate tiers of hierarchy to introduce senior/subordinate positions with different neighbor rules depending on the type of cell (personality).

That whole thing playing out with detectable repeating patterns or structures, but with a basically chaotic appearance... that to me sums up the model:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_automaton

I suspect that a math model exploring human interactions and relationships and power struggles might have far reaching applicability to human history, and an interesting way to conceive of the whole shebang, but it might be challenging to extract the patterns and insights for application to specific case predictive power. But if I was a grad student looking for a project, this would intrigue me.

But maybe at the age of being a grad student though, a person hasn't seen enough repeating patterns of personality types and organizations and hasn't followed enough news cycles to have news and history intertwine, then all this stuff is off the radar screen.

Contractor

Boulder climber

Aug 22, 2017 - 07:47pm PT

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclical_theory

fear

Ice climber

hartford, ct

Aug 22, 2017 - 09:08pm PT

I loved George Carlin's stuff....

"It's a great big club, and you ain't in it."

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Aug 22, 2017 - 09:11pm PT

I am somewhat amazed by Trump's Afghanistan policy.

A complete about face from his campaign advocacy.

I have been puzzled by why we have not made progress in 16 years. We keep sending in trainers, to train their military, and it keeps not working. Why not?

I'm convinced that it is because of the culture of corruption.

The only way to change that, is to change the culture (nation building).
....and Trump has sworn off of that endeavor.

So Trump will fail, just as Obama failed, and GW Bush failed.....like the Russians failed. Like the next President will fail.

I was impressed by a journalist asking a military strategist how long this will take, responding "how long have we been in Korea"

Trump will throw away more billions and billions, on a lost cause that will only get our servicemen killed. He has been suckered himself, by the argument that "we can't give up now, and lose every thing that we've invested, a trillion dollars, and thousands of soldiers!"

Exactly the same argument used by the loser at the craps table.

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber

joshua tree

Aug 22, 2017 - 10:52pm PT

The mistake is thinking anyone is in charge, ever.

Wish that were true! Then this regrets wouldn't feel so heavy

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber

joshua tree

Aug 22, 2017 - 10:58pm PT

So Trump will fail, just as Obama failed, and GW Bush failed.....like the Russians failed. Like the next President will fail.

Do you really think sending our kids in to kill their kids is gunna change anything other than the architecture?

fear

Ice climber

hartford, ct

Aug 23, 2017 - 05:22am PT

I have been puzzled by why we have not made progress in 16 years. We keep sending in trainers, to train their military, and it keeps not working. Why not?

The real people that run the show (we all pay tickets to support) run the massive MIC and the parasitic institutions that fund them.

For them to exist requires continuous murder on a grand scale.

Killary was part of that murder machine, now the Orange One appears to be announcing his part as a well oiled cog in the same thing.

The opium crops we have US marines guarding have something to do with it in Afghanistan. Perhaps it's a way to fund other "off the budget" bloodsports as well... Don't know but plenty of other nations have fallen into the same trap.

Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber

Aug 23, 2017 - 07:00am PT

My mind changed quite readily over Bill Clinton, when it came out he was fooling around with women in ways which seemed to go against his marriage vows, and also which go against responsible ideals, with the Lewinski behavior). While I had to agree with those who felt the behaviors probably bore no impact on his ability as president, I lost any respect I held for him as a man. I still cringe when I see him on video clips. I don't understand how a person who hods respect for their partner treats them with the disregard required to be unfaithful. Have the courage to hold the discussion BEFORE you get into the relationship, and let it be a TRUE agreement, and not one accepting it under duress while the other tells themself the lie that their partner thinks it is okay.

As for the "first Russia, then race, now sex," the Russia thing ain't over. Look at the timeline required to deal with Watergate. This investigation is quite a bit further down the road. Word is that the NYAG is managing it with a "Classic Mafia Family Takedown" strategy, and HAS gotten the link-ups required to prove the Collusion/Money Laundering/Connection directly to DT. So far as I can tell, the ONLY thing that is going to stop the "emperor" for being exposed in his naked lack of glory will be if the Russians have compromising materials on people who seem not be so much as breaking a sweat as they proceed. I am pretty sure if I had anything in my background that I would be worried about, I would have found a way to run as far away as possible. NYAG and Muller seem pretty secure in their stances.

skcreidc

Social climber

SD, CA

Aug 23, 2017 - 08:17am PT

I thought it was time for a little blast to the past, a little trip down memory lane if you will.

[Click to View YouTube Video]

fear

Ice climber

hartford, ct

Aug 23, 2017 - 09:57am PT

I think Adams was describing this choice:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=440l8poSQiA

zBrown

Ice climber

Aug 23, 2017 - 10:20am PT

Building cars, killing fields. The same levers, just different connections, eh?

Mr. McNamara served as Secretary of Defense from 1961 to 1968 and pushed so hard for deeper American military involvement in 1964 and 1965 that the conflict in Southeast Asia became known as "McNamara's War."

...

"I want to put Vietnam in context," he writes, because he believes that Vietnam helped make the American people cynical about their Government and because "it is cynicism that makes Americans reluctant to support their leaders in the actions necessary to confront and solve our problems at home and abroad."

...

He lists "11 major causes for our disaster in Vietnam," including misjudging the capacity of North Vietnam, underrating nationalism as a force in the world, failing to recognize the limitations of high-tech equipment, failing to level with Congress and the American public and, crucially, poor organization. Like Winston Churchill in World War II, he says, Johnson needed a war cabinet.

Yet we were wrong, terribly wrong. We owe it to future generations to explain why.

Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber

Aug 23, 2017 - 11:19am PT

CooCoo #45 Tweeted that the turnout at Phoenix was 15K. Said in his speech that the Secret Service told him there were very few protestors outside.....

Yet the space has a Legal Capacity of only 5,000. And I know f at least one Supertopian who was in Phoenix and protesting. The person posted that prtesters were being overcome with teargas.

Jeez.....why would police need teargas for so "very few?'

If only his propensity for being a compulsive liar were the worst of his qualities.

August West

Trad climber

Where the wind blows strange

Aug 23, 2017 - 11:49am PT

I figured fooling around is mostly between that person and their spouse. I don't really care about politicians private lives, in general. Now if you have some politician that goes on and on about family values and marriage being between a man and a woman, and they get caught having a gay affair, sure they should be blasted for it.

I would much rather have a politician that acted, in office, in a way that I liked and that I had zero respect for, than a politician that I had a lot of respect for but was either ineffective in office or pursued policies that I disagreed with.

I ain't looking for a fishing buddy either.

My biggest general gripe about both Clintons is the level of financial sleaze. I use the term sleaze instead of corruption, because it isn't clear they did anything illegal. But accepting hundreds of thousands of dollars from Goldman Sax for a private speech, yeah that is sleazy.

Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber

Aug 23, 2017 - 12:15pm PT

accepting hundreds of thousands of dollars from Goldman Sax for a private speech

This was one of the MOST effective misinformation points disseminated during the 2016 campaign. It was THE point that turned so many registered Democrats to Bernie Sanders. In my family, at least 2 of my six surviving siblings supported Sanders over Clinton and specifically cited these exorbitant speaking fees as their motivating reason.

Misinformation, you ask? Yes, it was misinformation. The point was framed to infer that Clinton gave "more" than a speech for those fees.

Yet the payment is a COMMON fee for people at the level Hillary Clinton was/is.

Here's list, from 2012, of the 10 top paid speakers. http://publicspeaking.co.ke/post/10-highest-paid-public-speakers-in-the-world

Guess who was the highest paid? None other than(barf) Donald Trump. Even Sarah Palin made $100,000 and up for speaking.

This campaign about Hillary and her speeches was the "fake news" that inspired Trump to steal the phrase. AND, disinformation is a well-used political tactic, and one used extensively by the good old USSR, now Russia.

Yet we average folks, for whom a quarter million dollar speaking fee seems absolutely ludicrous, because we just did.not.know. that it is "normal" for some circles, believed Hillary was guilty of something untoward.