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bvb
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flagstaff arizona
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Jan 25, 2013 - 03:00pm PT
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What the hell? Like I said... What the hell were people posting while I was gone? If that was the case, then yeah... Underage is a BIG issue, it is criminal and the person posting should be ashamed and afraid. The big arm of the law does go far.
Nothing even remotely underage, Anastasia. Not even close. Petite women with small breasts. As I pointed out at the time this red herring was first floated, if you visit a college campus these days the 18 - 22 year olds look like children, the way I imagine Jr. High kids looked like to me 30 years ago. And as we get older this perceptual distortion only becomes more pronounced, jarring, and striking. That this notion could get any traction at all is a reflection of the overwhelmingly white, middle class, 30-and-over demographic of this forum.
Oh Well.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Jan 25, 2013 - 03:02pm PT
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why not a thread devoted to Penises of adult males?
as long as the Penises are not erect, then it is not sexual
Are you suggesting that none of the images in the boob thread were sexualized? Why must the male body be shown in a non-sexual manner but it is okay to show the female body in that manner?
(Edit: Image removed as a courtesy)
It seems many here just cannot accept that there are various opinions and be respectful of them; they need to lash out with intimidation tactics in an attempt to silence others.
I said I would begin posting images to counterbalance the boobs ones being shown in this thread(or the other booby whinefest threads). While there haven't been any boob shots that I noticed, I think some still are not quite getting the point. And so, when guys continue with the stance that there is something wrong with women who didn't mind their own business about that thread, and try to intimidate any men who actually have the balls to stand up and provide their opinion as well, I will be making....a point, through imagery.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Jan 25, 2013 - 03:04pm PT
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As the saying goes.."whats good for the goose..."
Back to outrage regarding anything that skirts underage.
If you havn't seen the destruction of a persons life due to abuse I suppose it might be hard to understand the outrage of those who have seen it. A line that you just can't get anywhere near without being burned.
See the Irish Patrick's (cant remember his exact sceen name )threads about caregiving to catch a glimpse.
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Anastasia
climber
InLOVEwithAris.
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Jan 25, 2013 - 03:04pm PT
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Sorry Jebus,
I erased after realizing how that post can be twisted. I don't want that...
I am right now feeling really bad about that line being crossed. Holy heck folks... I knew you guys will get the thread nuked but I thought it would be over something like Locker's plugs, etc. Not this, NEVER this. That's astounding bad. Don't do that...
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atchafalaya
Boulder climber
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Jan 25, 2013 - 03:08pm PT
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"Someone posted a picture of a 21-year-old woman with small breasts.
People found that offensive because they felt women with small breasts looked like children."
Someone also posted a bunch of pictures of girls who looked under 18. I thought that was offensive.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jan 25, 2013 - 03:10pm PT
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So Ken, just as a point of clarity, you seem upset that two members of this forum are now gone. Do you have any personal insight or first hand knowledge of why Lolli jumped ship? From what I have seen she simply walked away and left a blank slate. Having seen nothing else it's hard for me to give reason to that without jumping to conclusions. I do recall seeing a post from someone that received a PM from her stating that it was for personal reasons. I'll try to find it later.
As far as T*R goes, obviously she found offense and took action. She was then banned for that action.
If you're basing your outrage and criteria on two individuals of this forum, one of which who's leaving seems to be an unknown and the other very well known, well, so be it, even if I think maybe you're getting a bit ahead of yourself.
I do have personal first hand knowledge.
I don't think I'd describe my emotions as "outrage", as much as sadness.
I am unaware of ANY thread, that resulted in the quitting of two members. Are you? Due to them being offended as having the minority class to which they belong being put down.
It is totally legitimate to discuss whether such threads are a put down of a class. Would a thread on blacks, that went on for a thousand posts, repeating stereotypes be a put down? Undoubtedly some would day yes, some no.
But the nature of community is to discuss things. And the "sentinal event" of a thread that causes people to quit, just by it's existance, seems to be a notable event.
and also, I find it interesting the problem people seem to have with standing with those who have left on philosophical grounds, and even being willing to look at what the issue might have been and why it was an issue.
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Anastasia
climber
InLOVEwithAris.
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Jan 25, 2013 - 03:10pm PT
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As for sexualized... What isn't these days? The Kardashians? LOL! Victoria Secret's clothing line PINK? Why are there female news anchors that can sideline as models, where did all the others ones go? They don't qualify anymore? Plus why do many anchor women wear such low cut and tight shirts?
It's the freakin NEWS!!!!
When are we going to admit it, face it, deal it out? Pretending we are in a moral world when it obviously is a world that is over sexualized... I think avoiding it, pretending it's not there is very dangerous.
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Jan 25, 2013 - 03:12pm PT
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Damn Happy girl that dood is Swole!
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jan 25, 2013 - 03:12pm PT
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no, many of them were sexualized, were soft-core porn, and should NOT have been included, imo
and that is almost word for word what t*r said was her objection to the boob thread
I wonder if the boob thread could have survived and been progressively added to, if it was started by a male instead
my guess is that because a female started it, then it became ok like it was legitimized
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Michelle
Trad climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
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Jan 25, 2013 - 03:15pm PT
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Plus I've been in many hot tubs with boys and girls naked and no one was offended or mouthing off rude comments. Why does it occur here?
Because nobody would act this silly without clothes on.
I was at Travertine once and was asked by this, ahem, lovely woman, to put my clothes on or leave since she didn't want her sons (around 10) to see nudity. Quite rudely. I calmly continued to disrobe and enter the pool. I then made direct eye contact and said, "by the looks of you, I'd be more concerned about the impact that the McDonald's you feed your kids has on them than my skin." (The only other vehicle was assumably theirs and FULL of junk food trash.) They left.
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Jan 25, 2013 - 03:15pm PT
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I bet if all the mass shooters had some boobs in their life they might not have gone all postal.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Jan 25, 2013 - 03:17pm PT
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I definately do not get the folks who find any nudity wrong.
I definitely do not recall noticing any posts made by someone who finds any nudity wrong.... Could you please provide at lease a reminder of what was posted? I don't expect you to go searching back over posts to directly pinpoint this(which is another cheap tactic some people employ - task the person with something which requires an inordinate amount of effort and when they person doesn't comply to the stupid demand, claim victory on a point), but I honestly don't believe anyone here has said, or even suggested, that all nudity is bad.
Also, it is certainly not simple nudity which is what people are finding offensive about this whole matter. It is not even the boob thread itself, at this point, and never was, for me. I am not 100% sure, but I THINK what has got people upset now is the aggressive hostility being blasted at anyone who makes a post against the sacrosanctity of the boobs thread.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Jan 25, 2013 - 03:22pm PT
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Happie..
Nah my comment right there was directed in general not specifically to anything posted here on the Taco.
Yeah this stuff is explosive and has damaged a community. Some of it for good reason some not so much. Sad really but predictable once certain lines are approached.
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Anastasia
climber
InLOVEwithAris.
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Jan 25, 2013 - 03:28pm PT
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People need to relax. A person doesn't like it... That is valid and not worth bashing them for that opinion. A person does like the boob thread is also valid and not worth bashing over either.
Illegal activity... Yeah, that's obviously wrong, you don't need much brains or morality to figure that out. No matter what you think upon nudity itself. That is worth a good NUKING for obvious reasons. Totally agree...
Witch hunting, pointing fingers, being rude... That's obviously not good no matter what stance you are defending.
Let the thread die, the joke is over... People made it into something else, what's new? Now whoever was rude to another person and those who were rude to the girls, go write an apology to them and stop being mean over pictures. They are just pictures, not the Mona Lisa or the Sistine Chapel (even though that is full of nudity too.) It's not worth it.
You don't have to apologize for your beliefs. Apologize for hurting feelings because that does matter.
That's my two cents.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Jan 25, 2013 - 03:30pm PT
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Why are there female news anchors that can sideline as models, where did all the others ones go? They don't qualify anymore? Plus why do many anchor women wear such low cut and tight shirts?
You answered that one yourself: They don't qualify anymore. Just like the 45 year old guy who can do a job just as good, or better, than a 25 year old isn't "qualified" any more. Or, more likely, they will be termed overqualified, and told they wouldn't be happy in a job beneath their skill level. Which is the same thing the women who don't display themselves as eye candy are told.
Anastasia - Going "along" with the idea that sexualization is the primary value of women is the problem. That is also WHY women are shrouded in the bhurkas and such in some societies.
Again - I don't believe anyone here is saying they find distaste in seeing a woman's naked body, but the tactic of turning them into seasonings for the sausage.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Jan 25, 2013 - 03:36pm PT
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Yeah this stuff is explosive and has damaged a community.
If you actually believe this then the community you are referring to probably never existed in the first place.
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LuckyPink
climber
the last bivy
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Jan 25, 2013 - 03:38pm PT
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those were photos of prepubescent girls. not 18 and up with small breasts. NO breast development and a couple with new breast buds. Some had developing breasts that could be mistaken for adults. lots of face makeup. which is the usual for child porn. A stint at CPS makes one acutely aware of what is child porn.
Your hostility and defensiveness is just that, hostility and defensiveness. Be at peace. Offer some kindness for those who are injured by this industry.
Happpie has made so many excellent observations regarding the inequalities present here.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Jan 25, 2013 - 03:40pm PT
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What the hell? Like I said... What the hell were people posting while I was gone? If that was the case, then yeah... Underage is a BIG issue, it is criminal and the person posting should be ashamed and afraid. The big arm of the law does go far.
Yup, glad it was erased. Holy shamolly... I'm speechless
There's no way IHP would post pics of underage girls. It's simply inconceivable that he would be that stupid. I didn't see the last pics posted before the thread was deleted, but I clicked on his profile and there were a couple where the models looked really young. One in particular looked like a girl with the breast development of a young teenager, but her face looked like she could well be 18. Although the photos were in no way sexualized, I personally find such photos totally out of place in a thread full of real WOMEN, and yes it is creepy indeed that 50-something men would find that sort of thing a turn on (assuming they even do).
The photos in question are now gone, but then so are dozens (if knott 100's) of others where the models were quite obviously over 18.
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matisse
climber
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Jan 25, 2013 - 03:49pm PT
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I personally never had a problem with the boob thread. I paint nudes and have worked as an artists model in the past. I think some of you are missing the point (or at least my point)
what I have a problem with is the way people, particularly women, were treated who did object to it and the total melt down temper tantrum some of you guys had when it got whacked.
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labrat
Trad climber
Nevada City, CA
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Jan 25, 2013 - 04:00pm PT
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I didn't see anything obviously underage either. Maybe I missed something.
Locker. Sent you an PM about some resoles......
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