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atchafalaya
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Babylon
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Jul 31, 2009 - 03:46pm PT
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I thought this was old news: Bush and the Saudis, including Bin Ladens, were tied financially. Wheres the bombshell? Or, where have you been for the lst 15 years?
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Jul 31, 2009 - 03:57pm PT
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SPowers, since there have been ZERO successful covert ops by the CIA (that have come out), it's pretty easy really.
Research E. Howard Hunt.
edit: BTW research means more than reading a Wiki page
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WBraun
climber
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You guys don't know all details. Nope
Had a guy the govt sent to me. They said you gotta train this guy.
Make him bleed.
Hike, climb, thrash all kinds of harsh sh#t.
My pay was extra rations of food stamps. That was the high life.
Secret sh'it, even Russ never knew.
Guys trained from the raw camp 4 ways...... never got caught.
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Russ Walling
Gym climber
Poofter's Froth, Wyoming
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We have all had our secret gigs Werner.... I trained a guy for a few weeks in the Valley, doing all the hard ass shiit.... hiking, Deli, OW's and then he says it.... He needed to be able to make love to man as good as any woman.... so I had Walleye train him...... up in the talus for like a week or more.... it was classified, but I believe they got trained.
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dirtbag
climber
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"Klimmer is a nut job, for his bible code confessions
but this
prove him wrong "
No. Prove him right.
That's the problem with conspiracy hypotheses. As long as there is a "them" who is amazingly adept at covering their tracks, these things can never be disproven.
Claiming the US government destroyed the biggest buildings in its biggest city is an extraordinary claim, requiring extraordinary proof. So prove it.
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running on MT
Mountain climber
Winthrop, WA
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To Those Who are Interested,
Osama Bin Laden was recruited by George H.W. Bush in '76 to run five camps along the Afghanistan/Pakistan border. I was in Torquam in '84 watching the stingers taken off the trucks and loaded on donkeys for the trip over the Khyber Pass.
Osama was a CIA asset, aka Tim Osman. If you don't like terrorists, stop arming and training them.
Here is a complete 911 timeline:
http://www.historycommons.org/project.jsp?project=911_project
Here is the link to the peer reviewed paper that identified un-exploded nanothermite in the dust in Manhattan:
http://www.bentham.org/open/tocpj/openaccess2.htm
The NSA's Q group is dedicated to suppressing stories relating the Federal govt's to involvement in 911:
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_4878.shtml
Here is a video that presents information about those involved:
http://www.911missinglinks.com/
Everyone has an opinion, luckily there is only one set of facts. Metallurgical analysis has revealed that WTC 1, 2 & 7 were engineered demolitions beyond any doubt.
Peace, Freedom and Truth to You All,
mt
P.S. There is no evidence tying Bin Laden to 911. Check the FBI's most wanted list.
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm
They are looking for him in connection to the Embassy bombing in Kenya and Tanzania, because they have no evidence tying him to the 911 controlled demolitions.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Question to ask yourself:
There have been conspiracies that are well accepted and known these days, some are mainstream, some are almost there.
Ie, Nobody doubts the US was behind the Bay of Pigs or fudged the Bay of Tonkin information. Few informed people doubt that Bush got us into Iraq for reasons other than 9-11 or WMDs. We know they cooked the intel.
Operation Northwoods was proposed at the highest level (google it) but Kennedy shot it down. We're not above this stuff.
So really ask yourself, if these actions weren't so well documented, and somebody alleged them, would you think they were wearing a tin foil hat?
Anything that's threatening to become public but needs to stay covered up is going to have unbelievable disinformation attached to it. That's the way anybody smart would discredit something
Peace
Karl
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Homer
Mountain climber
Santa Cruz, CA
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Yes, we're quite magnificent, aren't we? With our limitless perceptions, and our infallible underderstanding, each one of us more magnificent than the next ..
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Hang in there Klimmer! Remember that mouth breathers can't see the truth through the obfuscation. They are easily threatened by challenges to their canned beliefs. Speaking truth to power (or self imposed ignorance) is a lonely path.
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fairweather
Mountain climber
Roseville, CA
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I'm assuming all you conspiracy believers also think Obama was born in Kenya. Or do you just believe the ones you like?
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Mustang
climber
From the wild, not the ranch
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9/11 investigation, no scientific forensic analysis of structural steel columns to determine actual cause of collapse?? salvaged steel shipped to fishkill ny scrap yard and quickly sold on the scrap market, so much in fact that scrap steel prices on the global market plummet. wtf? didn't want to have documented those traces of thermate cutter charges, eh?
ten times more money was spent on investigating clinton and monica-gate than towers collapse. wtf??
liberty 7, building adjacent to towers, collapsed because of fire?? official report. wtf?? no tall building in any city has ever collapsed because of fire, see reports by A.A.E., american architectural engineers.
Liberty 7 housed nyc emerg response hqts, also was alleged base ops for mossad, Israelie version of C.I.A., who apparently placed thermate cutter charges at core of WTC buildings under guise of night maintenance. very convenient for any evidence of such ops to be completely demolished in yet another building collapse.
that said, who benefits from 9/11?
1. Israel, protected from potentially hostile majority Arab population, by major U.S. military presence in gulf now due to WMD and S.Hussein/ Al Quada lies and war powers act.
2. Neocons, who put GWB and Dick Head in power, fearful of forever losing power in geopolitical and economic arenas, now has ultimate political control due to instant war powers act granted by Congress and the ever UN-Constitutional provisions of the now needed 'Patriot Act'. Can now govern using fear tactics to keep population from asking the difficult and important questions.
3. Halliburtion, K.B.R., Bechtel, Blackwater, SAIC, Boeing, Lockheed, et al,, seen their balance sheets since 9/11? we're talking profit gains and margins in the thousands of percentiles.
4. Those on wall st. who had 'puts' or short contracts in on the airline stocks to plummet, days prior to 9/11 made hundreds of millions in the days following.
People are manipulated in many ways every day, through many outlets. Just because it was said to be so, on Fox, Cnn or the rest of the mainstream media outlets, does not mean it is completely true. Not even close.
Remember the WMD lies? Yeah, the U.S. gov't knew they were there cause 'ol Donny Rummy acting as a special envoy for Reagan sold 'em to Saddam way back in '82 or something.
Keep on believing what you believe, the gov't wants it that way, honor, courage, commitment, freedom, democracy, bullshite I say, words used to manipulate young uns to enlist for service, and to continually manipulate generally fat and stupid, mall-pig, debt riddled, consumer americans for reasons most people will never understand.
Anyone seen the new global currency coins? New world order, get yours once the dollar is completely worthless cause they have to keep printing more.
Democracy is the ideal, Global Capitalism is the reality.
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WBraun
climber
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Good one Mustang.
I'm tired of hearing the stupid sheep who always come out with their tin foil hat bullshiit.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Ha ha ha. I'd rather wear a tin foil hat than blinders.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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"All of you conspiracy theorists fall right into the twisted mind-play that is the intention of terrorism in the first place. Once they have your mind, as the old saying says, your ass will follow.
Their intent is to instill fear. Weak minded, unprovable conspiracies are a seed of that fear. Subsequently, the terrorists use you as a tool without you even realizing it. You just get all worked up, blame it all on Bush or Cheney, or whomever it is you like to rail against."
You may say that but better balance it with the unassailable fact that the US banded Al Queda together in Afghanistan, trained em, armed em, and called them "freedom fighters"
Knocking down democracy and installing the Shah in Iran is another example of us setting the seed for our own terrorist problem.
We expect every other country to pay for their terrorism and reform but we don't do so ourselves.
Just like in all the other countries like Iraq where we support and armed thugs and terrorists, turned out head from death and oppression and got surprised when they turned on us
This much is not conspiracy theory. You have to be uninformed to deny it. How long Bin Laden worked for the US is debatable but secondary to our self defeating and dishonest foreign policy that consistently provides blowback and backfire.
Peace
Karl
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Mustang
climber
From the wild, not the ranch
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Noshoesnoshirt, that vid basically sums it up.
Here's a relevant quote from Nazi Joseph Goebbels head of the nazi propaganda machine.
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
Cragman, you got it about falling into the trap of fear through terrorism, except the guise is foreign terrorism.., mostly by islamic extremists. How convenient to pigeon hole another ethnic group, especially by media moguls of mostly Jewish faith and corporate ceo's of Christian faith. Did you forget where McVeigh got his training and how quickly he was executed lest the whole truth be revealed?
A few thousand dead people don't mean shite to the powers that be, and we're not talking about deaths from foreign terrorism. It is all about 'national interests' a.k.a. corporate profits. How many dead, innocent Iraqi civilians caused by U.S. Military action does it take for proof, 750K, 1 mil? Just a few estimates of so-called 'collateral damage' for protecting our 'National Interests' in Iraq.
Like I said, keep on believing what you want, just remember to 'go shopping' if anything bad ever happens...
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WBraun
climber
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cragman
Only sheep are afraid. Why you hang out with sheep?
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coondogger
Trad climber
NH
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Question...September 10th 2001 around sunset, my friend and I are driving west through Pennsylvania. Chuck is driving and I become unexplainably overwhelmed by a horrible feeling of dread that something terrible is about to happen. I mean cold sweat fear, dread.
Anyone else have this experience or ever hear this kind of thing? I have had several of these experiences through life but never anything that was followed by something as large scale as 9/11.
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