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Pistol Pete
Trad climber
Pasadena, CA
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The man is a legend. I have no problem with him gettin' a few bucks. (I did try to bid on one of his old friends). Not all climbers can be trust funders killing time.
Peace,
Pete
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Roger Breedlove
climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
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I don't know Layton, but I would go to watch a slide show. I also don't begrudge any climber collecting cash for telling their stories--no harm, no foul.
Regarding the comment "...reclusive has made a quick and dramatic reversal," I think that many older climbers have a natural reluctance to talk about themselves or their times in a public forum. You have to find the space between feared rejection and self absorption—-it feels like asking for the first dance. For example, the climbers at the Nose 50 reunion struggled with the notion that they had anything interesting to say and then struggled with the notion that a whole room full of people they didn't know were hanging on their every word. But once they got used to it, I think it was fun for them. It felt pretty special to hear all the same old stories in the words and tones of the original climbers.
Except for climbers who made presentations when they were climbing hard, Royal is a good example, many older climbers are just too nervous to venture into such an exposed position with dim photos and spotty memories.
However, once they do venture in, most lose their uncertainty and enjoy the re-living of younger days, without their spouses and kids rolling their eyes. Lots of lost memories spring to life and somehow those old past times do not feel so old or lost. My guess is that Layton is reliving a springtime and it feels good.
More power to him.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Roger, I think that you are right on. Lots of folks don't realize the things people are interested in and it takes encouragement to get them talking, then once they have success, they enjoy it and if there is still demand, then why shouldn't they share it and make a little money in the process. At ten or twenty bucks a head, it certainly isn't going to be some great amount of money in a small venue.
If someone begrudges them that money, then they can stay home. I like listening to stories about climbing. I hope that he continues to share what he has.
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ydpl8s
Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
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Just listening to stories ABOUT Kor, told by people like Mr. Ament, inspired my generation of climbers. I would venture to guess that there is no great climber alive that hasn't heard of and been inspired by the tall, lanky, unassuming giant that is Kor.
I'm only kicking myself in the butt for having moved from Colorado a little too soon to be able to attend one of his shows. Maybe we can get him to make a trip to California?
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GRJ
climber
Juneau AK
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Kind of off topic....I just saw a picture of Kor and Lynn Hill, he is gigantic. I'd heard he was big, but I was thinking thick, he's huge. Like twice as big as I am. It just cracks me up thinking about him on his Castleton Route.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Layton doesn't want me to talk about it so I won't go into detail, however it should be understood that he requires medical attention every 2-3 days so attempting to plan a slide show "tour" is a logistical nightmare even IF the financial returns were guaranteed.
And they aren't.
Layton has various concerns he is attending to in the Front Range area and THAT is why he has put on more shows there.
He is not really trying to "milk" the market, but I suspect there are many there that would attend every show even if they were identical.
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Bldrjac
Ice climber
Boulder
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Let's see for $20 you can go to the local theater and buy a ticket to watch some lame newly released movie, purchase a coke and some popcorn. BOOM! your money is gone........You will forget the horrible movie in two days.
Or for $20 you can go to Neptune's and listen to a climbing legend. Hear stories you have never heard before, look at pictures you have never seen, ask questions form the man himself, drink free beer with friends and have memories that will last a long time.
The last two shows at 'Tunes have been different from the show Layton gave at Macky Auditorium. Stories about the Eiger ascent, Alaska etc. It's also called "giving back".
For all that Layton has given to the climbing community isn't it a good thing to return the favor when the need is there?
Layton needs the money more than Mick Jagger and he charges less.
On the other hand the price of a Rolling Stones ticket might be worth it if it means Keith gets another blood transfusion. Keep 'em "rollin'" into their 70s!!
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Saw the Stones at the 1982 World Cup in Madrid. They sucked. A waste of money.
As for Layton, I'd like to ask him if he thought about us short climbers (5'6") on the Kor Roof on the Column. Sheesh, no consideration (heh heh). ;-)
I'd pay to see the man more than once.
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Bart Fay
Social climber
Redlands, CA
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I'd much rather read "Another Kor Slideshow at Neptunes" than
"Please Donate, Kor needs your money because he's been having fun climbing while you were working"
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Believe me, Layton isn't raising money for climbing.
Patrick, I'm the same height. If you have good technique the bolts are reachable.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Treatment every 2-3 days ... doesn't matter if they are $50 office visits - do the math - all these slide shows tripled aren't going to pay for squat. There are a ton of docs in the climbing world. I pray that he's met a few.
Suggesting that he's rolling in cash reaks of the ignorance you could only expect from the 23 year-old OP - ie, someone who's life so far has mostly been paid for by his parents.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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hey PR
Do you know if Mr. Kor will have any shows in the Denver/Boulder
area in the future? (Since I've been unable to attend any of
his current shows).
Thanks!
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Ron, back in 1975 I did reach them, but it was a stretch, no pun intended.
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dogtown
climber
Cheyenne,Wyoming
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If your a climber and you can make buck from it, God has blessed you! More power to those that can!
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Evel
Trad climber
the cliffs of insanity
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philo- as I see it Layton is a billionaire/philanthropist. He's rich with FA's, and now He's sharing his tales with all of us.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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I only wish that Layton Kor would do a national tour. I'd love to see his slide show. Also, I doubt that he is making a lot of money but I really hope he is. He deserves it.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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"as I see it Layton is a billionaire/philanthropist. He's rich with FA's, and now He's sharing his tales with all of us."
Word! Layton Kor, if you're reading this, keep "sharing the wealth" of your tales!
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Bldrjac
Ice climber
Boulder
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It's oral history that he is passing on. Most of these stories aren't written down and it's a part of this sport's history.
A small price to pay.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Who is this disgraceful cockroach Onyx?
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