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Jay Wood
Trad climber
Fairfax, CA
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What about the preference of your son?
He might not prefer genital mutilation.
I find it disturbing that this decision, which has pervasive psychological and cultural implications, is taken so lightly.
What does it mean to a man (to be) that one of his first experiences in this world is to have another man cut off the end of his dick?
What does it mean to a culture that the majority of men have had this fundamental experience?
Yes, we go on to play in the bathtub, but that doesn't make being circumcised meaningless.
I encourage you to think more deeply about what you want for your son and get more information on the issue.
Personally, I think the practice should stop, and I want my foreskin back!
Jay
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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The dudes first experience is getting shoved out an offwidth/chimney. A little cutting aint going to scar him anymore then that. Some guys must even like it since they fall in love with offwidths and chimneys. Just sayin is all..
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Sascha
climber
Sebastopol, CA
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I'm with Jay - leave it on!! If he really wants to get clipped, he can always get it done later. I left my son natural, and (though we've never had this conversation) I have no reason to think he's disappointed, nor do the teenage girls seem to be running in the opposite direction. Come on, there's more to play with! And those timid girls who are afraid of the anteater - well, you wouldn't want to date them anyway, if they don't have the nerve to ask for beta. As for STDs - gentlemen, you should be placing pro no matter what!
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Out on the sand.... man.....
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Nothing worse than a rancid, smeg encrusted, 13 day between washes El Cap anteater to scare away all the summit groupies! Just sayin'......
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salad
climber
Escondido
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russ, im chubbin up after reading that!
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Sascha
climber
Sebastopol, CA
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Hey, it's not like a girl's as fresh as a daisy by the end of a big wall, either -- ever heard of moist towelettes? :-)
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originalpmac
Trad climber
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posted up my opinion, went hiking and came back, now I am laughing. Todd, you are hilarious. No I don't have any kids, but I have seen one born at home, and yes it was messy...
but really, cervical cancer chances increase? maybe from HPV, but I don't buy it. I don't think that women were dying for millions of years as we evolved from uncircumcised wieners. I just don't buy it. And in reality, to get personal and this cracks me the hell up to be talking about this with a bunch of strangers, but my last girlfriend didn't even realize that i wasn't circumcised for like a month, a very fun month. With me at least, you know, at the um... point of umm... arousal that stuff rolls back. And how the hell does a little skin cause cervical cancer? please explain, cause I am sooo confused. and this thread is FUNNY!
... squeezed out of an OW/chimney hahahahaha, I am going to USE that one in the future.
edit: AIDS is commonly spread to younger women is some places in Africa from reusing the blade, FYI
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goatboy smellz
climber
colorado
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"foreskin rage" would be a good name for a route.
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Out on the sand.... man.....
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One of my first real jobs was as a mohel.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Another cutting bit of wit from the Fish...
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Jay Wood
Trad climber
Fairfax, CA
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LEB-
I agree that female circumcision and genital mutilation is brutal, stomach-turning, especially with the crude techniques often used. It has been the basis for asylum claims in the US. Involuntary- true of male infants, yes?
My stepson didn't get cut- I think he's better for it. As a child, we taught him to wash well, and pull the skin back to prevent the 'too tight' issue.
I'm sceptical of the medical rational. Women who are married to men who have had lobotomies probably have less cervical cancer too.....
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there ... not sure if this helps you any.. but my boys all had cir. done... they never had troubles, they are married, have great wives, and kids, as well...
it was no big deal to them, because no matter what or how things came into their lives they were taught to have good self-esteem, and their character grew strong by us showing them love...
seems we knew quite a few other folks too, with boys this way... as it was common 30 years ago, and i followed what our folks felt was okay...
all babies will have hurts and wounds in life--the chance to teach reassurance and comfort to any wounds, when a child is little, is the key to helping him face other wounds, both physical and emotional,
when young the most impotant thing to do for a child when they face anything, is for this time to be used by adults to step in continually for him or her letting them know that they are loved and for there to be an ongoing relationship of worth and esteem... emotional damage can come from kids getting hurt (physicaly or emotionaly) on their OWN--and having the folks not give one damm, continually
most likely, go by your gut feeling and you will never regret it, and you boy wont either---if he sees your strength of characther, and love and acceptance....
thus, most likely you will feel peace to: dont go by the "world"... the world turns on one.... learn what you can, and pray, go by your gut feelings...
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Sascha
climber
Sebastopol, CA
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LEB, do you know statistics outside the US? I grew up in Germany, and it seems that many if not a majority of boys of my generation there (born in the 1960s) were uncut. People in Europe seem to be doing okay with that.
You're certainly right about the increased cervical cancer risk, although people shouldn't misread this as implying that female partners of circumcised males are at zero risk while those with uncircumcised partners are dropping like flies. What I find more interesting than the odds ratio is the huge prevalence of HPV in general. What we really learn is, use protection; and girls, get your pap smear done regularly.
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Jay Wood
Trad climber
Fairfax, CA
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LEB wrote:
"I think it is a "male thing" and I leave it up to the males to decide on this issue. From my perspective, it does not much matter one way or another"
So would you say that you "turn a blind eye because it is the cultural norm", as you wrote in reference to female circumcision?
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Get it done now. He'll never remember. The health risk for women in a physical relationship is much greater if it is not done.
Sorry if I invaded your fish forum. lrl
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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You're nuts if you think we didn't feel a think when it got whacked off.
If I had had a son instead of a daughter I'd have left it on.
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Nor Cal
Trad climber
San Mateo
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My parents put me under the knife and I did it to my son, so don't know if I am missing anything. However I listen to Dr Dean Edel on the radio, and he is against circumcision. He claims that some of the most sensitive skin is removed and recommends the website: http://www.nocirc.org/ .
He claims that women don’t like their love making to be a "bang fest" (not his words) like the porno movies depict, instead they like it slow and rhythmic like a "Latin lover" may deliver (implying that the Latin lover is intact). He also says that the cleanliness issue is a farce.
It's is a tough choice to make and maybe you're wife will deliver a girl.
I think it is total BS that circumcision reduces HIV or HPV. Again I will use Dr Edel. First he claims that circumcision does not reduce the transmission HIV, and in fact it increases it. The reason is that a circumcised man will be more likely to have un-protected sex under the false pretense that it is safer since he is circumcised thus spreading the disease. Second the HPV is not only transmitted by the genitals but it is also transmitted orally, completely bypassing any circumcision issues.
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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well, folks with real brains and real educations say it:
evolution doesn't do anything without a reason:
the foreskin on the human male penis was put there
for a reason.
Is that reason "obsolete"?
Franky, I don't think it makes a big diff
to the guy one way or the other, it works.
I agree that the hygiene thing is BS -
you saying a guy can't keep him self clean?
and therefor needs surgery for his own health??
What? Did we just crawl out of the swamps?
People been breeding w/ out penis mods well enough
for MILLIONS of years, and you know if they
stopped cutting, doubtful it would make any difference.
I'm not trolling here - I was cut and I was pissed
and I used to think it was kinda bullshit but,
I see both sides now and am glad it was done.
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Jay Wood
Trad climber
Fairfax, CA
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LEB-
That sure sounds like a blind eye to me.
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