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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Oct 23, 2016 - 07:11pm PT
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I'll move here
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Oct 23, 2016 - 07:23pm PT
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"Two under Obama....the present one, and the big one that is imminent."
Two complete departures from reality.
Must really suck to live your life in constant fear.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Oct 23, 2016 - 07:31pm PT
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When the big one hits after Obeezy is gone and Imelda Clinton takes over, are we still blaming Bush?
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Oct 23, 2016 - 07:52pm PT
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When the big one hits after Obeezy is gone and Imelda Clinton takes over, are we still blaming Bush?
Nope, the blame will be delivered to the McConnell Senate and and the Boehner/Ryan House...
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Oct 23, 2016 - 07:58pm PT
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Nope, the blame will be delivered to the McConnell Senate and and the Boehner/Ryan House...
Got it. Ready.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 23, 2016 - 08:01pm PT
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Boy, a lot of substantive commentary on this page.
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 23, 2016 - 08:02pm PT
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Wall Street is greasing the skids for Hillary but they're going to want pay back.
Amirite that when a racist PoS like Estupido says Obeezy it's because he has to bite his racist tongue. What a shart stain.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Oct 23, 2016 - 08:02pm PT
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I sigh for those who get excited, worrying about the next impending recession.
Shist, recessions, taxes, & dying are all part of life.
Get over it & stay invested. http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/042415/what-average-annual-return-sp-500.asp
According to historical records, the average annual return for the S&P 500 since its inception in 1928 through 2014 is approximately 10%. However, that number can be very misleading. If an investor thinks that translates to just putting money in the S&P 500 Index and watching it double about every 10 years, he is likely in for a rather big disappointment. Accurate calculations of average returns, taking all significant factors into account, can be challenging.
The S&P 500 is a collection of 500 stocks intended to reflect the overall return characteristics of the stock market as a whole. The stocks that make up the S&P 500 are selected by market capitalization, liquidity and industry. Companies to be included in the S&P are selected by the S&P 500 Index Committee, which consists of a group of analysts employed by Standard & Poor's.
The index primarily mirrors the overall performance of large-cap stocks. The S&P 500 is considered by analysts to be a leading economic indicator for both the stock market and the U.S. economy. The 30 stocks that make up the Dow Jones Industrial Average were previously considered the primary benchmark indicator for U.S. equities, but the S&P 500, a much larger and more diverse group of stocks, has supplanted it in that role over time.
It's difficult for most individual investors to actually be invested in the S&P 500 since that would involve buying 500 stocks. However, investors can easily mirror the index's performance by investing in an S&P 500 Index mutual fund or exchange-traded fund.
One of the major problems for an investor looking at that 10% average return figure and mistakenly expecting to realize a nice yearly profit from investing in the S&P 500 is inflation. Adjusted for inflation, the historical average annual return is only around 7%. There is an additional problem posed by the question of whether that inflation-adjusted average is accurate since the adjustment is done using the inflation figures from the Consumer Price Index (CPI), whose numbers many analysts believe vastly understate the true inflation rate.
For an individual's investment success, when he chooses to enter the market makes a significant difference. The stock market performed very well for an investor who bought stocks between 1950 and 1965, but the market was nothing but a continuous 15-year disappointment for an investor who entered in 1965. The market's best sustained performance was from 1983 to 2000.
A significant detail about the historical S&P returns is that nearly half, over 40%, of the gains made over the years come from dividends. Calculating in the effect of an investor reinvesting all dividends received would render the historical performance figure substantially higher.
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 23, 2016 - 08:04pm PT
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Don't confuse my commentary for fear. Im salivating and licking my lips. I'm pointing it out to scare the fat white elites in here.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Oct 23, 2016 - 08:07pm PT
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Well, yeah. Because history has proven that fat white elites don't fair well in these types of things. <eyeroll>
Tard.
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 23, 2016 - 08:11pm PT
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I don't expect remorse from a sociopath.
Fatass
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Oct 23, 2016 - 08:45pm PT
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"Amirite that when a racist PoS like Estupido says Obeezy it's because he has to bite his racist tongue. What a shart stain."
You are correct, sir. On all counts.
But don't waste your time engaging him. He just likes to be a contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian.
Shart stain, indeed.
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 23, 2016 - 08:53pm PT
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Not Yellen. Not Lagarde. The other one.
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Spiny Norman
Social climber
Boring, Oregon
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Oct 23, 2016 - 08:58pm PT
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No one ever accused climbers, as a group, of being unusually bright. (At least they're mostly not snowboarders.)
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i-b-goB
Social climber
Wise Acres
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Oct 23, 2016 - 09:13pm PT
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Bushman
climber
The state of quantum flux
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Oct 23, 2016 - 09:35pm PT
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^^^^^
I'm sorry Flip Flop, that was just too painful to finish watching.
Not worried about the crash, though I know it's coming. Traded the family cow yesterday for some magic beans. We're good to go.
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 23, 2016 - 09:42pm PT
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When Escopeta talks I just picture Donnie.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Oct 24, 2016 - 02:52pm PT
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Go hump someone else's leg for a while Apogee.
Funny how so many people get uptight about the rich white dudes and then turn around and advocate for the very things that made them rich white dudes in the first place.
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Moof
Big Wall climber
Orygun
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Oct 24, 2016 - 03:06pm PT
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The best thing you can do as a mere mortal is to take a long term view. Stocks vary all over the place. So what? Money sitting in a savings account locks in inflation losses. Money sitting in the stock market over almost any 20 year period has made a decent penny
Wall Street has huge computers and wicked smart people looking for every short term advantage to make a buck. You can't outsmart them. Many fortunes have been lost trying. You will lose on average.
Buy the gosh darn index fund, then don't touch it for as long as possible. The Wall Street computers can only screw you for a tiny bit at the front end and back end.
Even if you bought at the peak in 2006, you were back to 100% in 7 years, and be up 30% today. Making the emotional decision to sell because "OMG the whole system is going down!" just locks in losses.
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