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MisterE
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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Jan 21, 2015 - 08:22pm PT
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Are humans capable of changing deeply held beliefs?
Yes, but rarely, if ever through on-line discourse on a forum.
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WBraun
climber
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Jan 21, 2015 - 08:28pm PT
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Beliefs won't help much unless one ultimately has proof ......
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Cave Creek, AZ
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Jan 21, 2015 - 08:34pm PT
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But, Werner, we are all full of beliefs with no proof!
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Prod
Trad climber
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Jan 21, 2015 - 08:36pm PT
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I would say that yes intelligent inquisitive people are capable of changing deeply held beliefs. But.... forums, maybe especially this one, are not a great venue to explore other beliefs.
Prod.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Jan 21, 2015 - 08:46pm PT
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At some point I learned that vegetables taste good.
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Jan 21, 2015 - 08:52pm PT
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Hey! Gary is a good man
I totally agree with Ksolem.....
The person calling Gary out.........No comment .
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Jan 21, 2015 - 08:54pm PT
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Yes. I'm a fence sitter
Doesn't that hurt your ass and your nards? Try being a fence-walker, it requires balance.
Yuk yuk. Sorry dude, you left yourself wide open. ;)
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Cave Creek, AZ
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Jan 21, 2015 - 08:59pm PT
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The gay issue is easy from a libertarian perspective.
Barry Goldwater was once asked what he thought about gays in the military. He said, "You don't have to be straight to shoot straight!"
Here is a portion of a commentary Barry Goldwater wrote concerning the ban of gays from the military...
The conservative movement, to which I subscribe, has as one of its basic tenets the belief that government should stay out of people's private lives. Government governs best when it governs least - and stays out of the impossible task of legislating morality. But legislating someone's version of morality is exactly what we do by perpetuating discrimination against gays.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Jan 21, 2015 - 08:59pm PT
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I can't say it was BECAUSE of Supertopo, but if you go back far enough in my posting history you will see the 23-year old right wing conservative repeating things his elders said were undeniable truths before a maturation process kicked in.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Especially regarding religion, gay rights, social issues and race. A whole lotta maturin' in the last 7-8 years.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jan 21, 2015 - 09:02pm PT
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Nita, you are too kind. Couchmaster is OK, too. All of us here agree on a lot more things than we disagree on, that's my guess.
Climbers of all types have a common bond. Two of my best climbing partners are to the right of George W Bush, but that's the least important thing about them.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
extraordinaire
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Jan 21, 2015 - 09:14pm PT
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i had a deeply held belief i was rad until i got here and read about everyone else.
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jgill
Boulder climber
Colorado
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Jan 21, 2015 - 09:28pm PT
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Not deeply-held beliefs, but some of the posts on the "Mind" and "Politics vs Science" threads have altered the way I think about certain subjects. Postings on meditation have given me a broader perspective of the practices. Also, I've changed my mind on "free will" and moved into the mechanistic camp. Ed's posts on physics have been particularly illuminating. Postings on climate change haven't led to any epiphanies, and postings on atheism vs religion are flat-out boring.
Postings about climbing have had virtually no effect on my thinking, other than difficulty continues to increase in one way or another. Nothing surprising there.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Jan 21, 2015 - 09:29pm PT
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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Jan 21, 2015 - 09:48pm PT
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I used to believe in Astrology and Crop Circles.
I used to believe that climbers had special powers of reasoning.
I used to think that climbing was safe.(can't credit the taco but cheers to the campfire)
I used to think that Werner was sane. Then I learned, here, that we are all nuts.
I used to be more tolerant of 'Murican muscular christian crusaders with righteous blood-lust and guns.
I used to think that Kiwis were funny.
I used to think that the ethics debate would die like ballet skiing.
I used to think that I'd find some frenchies in here( to mock).
I used to think that the Edlinger chalk-blow was passé among the elite.
I used to think that my hit list was in the past.
Actually I never believed in Astrology but crop circles had me scratching my head.
Edit: Mr Gill, you are recognized as the the man who introduced gymnastic chalk. Is the Edlinger chalk-blow a thing? It's probably from pictures of the World Cup at Snowbird. My first partner taught me to blow the chalk as a reminder for a full exhale before sequences. Do gymnasts do it also. Were you blowing chalk off your hands in the beginning? Much respect. Apologies for general religious intolerance. It's not personal just a duty as a humanist.
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Fish Finder
Social climber
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Jan 21, 2015 - 10:12pm PT
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I used to believe that Russ was a member of this forum
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jgill
Boulder climber
Colorado
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Jan 21, 2015 - 10:20pm PT
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Is the Edlinger chalk-blow a thing? . . . My first partner taught me to blow the chalk as a reminder for a full exhale before sequences. Do gymnasts do it also. Were you blowing chalk off your . . .
Wow, the topics that pop up on ST! I don't recall blowing on my hands, whether in gymnastics or climbing, but some gymnasts may do this. PSP was a gymnast and he might answer this question if he reads this thread. When I would dip my hands in the chalk basin in the gym I would pat them together once or twice, but I don't recall blowing on them. And much of the time when I climbed I carried a block and would rub it on and go directly to the rock.
You could pull up some youtube videos on artistic gymnastics and research this topic!
;>)
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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Jan 21, 2015 - 10:28pm PT
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Glad you appreciate the esoterica. Thanks for the response.
Here's a shot of the man in action
And today. No less than 3 chalk blows on Pitch 15.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Jan 21, 2015 - 11:21pm PT
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i use to think that Yosemite was a park for the people,
now i realize that it is a depressing metropolis situated in a magnificent setting, full of angry bus drivers, traffic, evil rangers, jaded tourists and a really good photographer,
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jan 22, 2015 - 01:31am PT
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I must answer Yes, because I never ever thought in a million years that I would meet someone named eeyonkee.
Doc Sprock...I never met an angry bus driver yet in the Valley. What did you do to him/her?
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