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YoungGun
climber
North
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Although a lot of climbers, including myself, are obsessed with getting stronger, the mental barriers to the next level are usually greater than the physical barriers. But nobody wants to look inside...
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Laramie
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the only thing inside is what you have already put there? But alas don't we all have that baggage that evolutionary psychology claims we have in our genes?
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ionlyski
Trad climber
Kalispell, Montana
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Bummer there's just the standard "chiming in" style on this thread. There's something worth, at the very least, serious discussion on HGH.
My vetrinarian friend is considering taking it at 52 years of age. He hasn't made a commitment yet but getting tired of excercising every single day, eating right, in short battling the best he can to beat aches and pains, yet still losing the battle. He says when he gets to the point he can't get out and do sh#t anymore, screw it, he's taking it.
I don't know much about it. Folks, it's not anabolic steroids so the comments about the Lyle guy that died sound really stupid. At least research something before you just run your mouth on a thread topic so we don't end up with all the 1500 post long threads of mostly just stupid sounding shit; my post included yes.
Arne
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Highlander
Big Wall climber
yosemite
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It can accelerate the growth of cancer cells.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Do your own research Arne, Lyle was an HGH head, now don't You look foolish?
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Laramie
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If you want to fertilize more women per day you need bigger balls.
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ionlyski
Trad climber
Kalispell, Montana
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Do your own research Arne, Lyle was an HGH head, now don't You look foolish?
Yeah, I suppose I do. Just woke up and felt like grouching at somebody.
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thirsty
climber
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I don't understand the negativity towards supplementation with age. As we age all of our parts start to wear out, and sometimes one part will go sooner than others. When eyes start to weaken, we get glasses. When our hearing starts to fail its ok to use hearing aids. When knees or hips erode away we can get replacements. When teeth fail we can get implants or dentures so that we can still eat. When thyroid glands start degrading with age its ok to take supplements. Why isn't it ok to take supplements to compensate for other degrading hormone producing glands as we age if a person finds that it makes a positive difference to their well being and health? Some people's eyes start degrading at 35 rather than 65. I think its ok for them to get glasses even if they aren't that old yet. Some people's hormone producing glands will start to degrade earlier than others. So what? If there is a way to help a person live better with modern medicine that wasn't available before, whats wrong with trying it? We generally live a lot longer than we used to, why not try to make those longer lives a little healthier if we can? Good nutrition and exercise doesn't stop the aging process. Even someone who eats well and is extremely fit can see their eyes or other organs start to fail when they are relatively young.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Laramie
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Hey Milquetoast,
only a milktoast would think this thread so precious that he would pull the efforts of his post and apologize?
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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DingleMc wrote:
some supplements that were claimed by the labeling to contain the chemical that another gland produces to get the pituitary to release HGH, simply called HGH releasing hormone.
And I say again, quoting Mayo:
Sometimes these dietary supplements are called human growth hormone releasers. There's no proof that these claims are true
Everyone should be aware that the supplements industry is essentially unregulated WRT to claims of benefits or efficacy. Thanks to Sen Orin Hatch of Utah, which is where many of the supps companies are located or manufacture, the DSHEA was passed in 1994. The basic was that supps were to be treated as food, rather than pharma...the takeaway being that NONE OF THEIR CLAIMS HAVE TO BE PROVEN. They don't have to show either safety or efficacy and can make claims about disease, health, structure function, or general well being with no backing evidence.
Basically, the supps industry is 21st century snake oil. Recent studies are pointing to net negatives of general supplementation...even the relatively uncontroversial things from 10 years ago like Vit E.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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'scool Arne, have some Coffee and get after it!
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Laramie
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Right on Thirsty,
I see an invention in that picture--someone is wearing gloves. Presumably to keep their hands warm which otherwise would naturally get cold? And we all try other creations to make our life in particular--more pleasant.
Very little is natural.
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monolith
climber
albany
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What's wrong with taking HGH? We don't know all the answers, but you can bet it will screw up some other function, possibly TSH, also produced by the pituitary to regulate the thyroid.
Stimulate production of HGH the natural way. Do interval workouts. Just 30 seconds of sprinting increases HGH.
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WBraun
climber
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Making gloves when your hands are cold to keep them warm is natural and normal.
Now your saying that's abnormal.
You people are nuts and crazy .....
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Laramie
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Elcapinyoazz,
have gloves been Mayo approved to keep your hands warm?
The Mayo clinic performs thousands of "Experiments on One" for each patient. They have no proof that you will recover. Yet we pay them.
It seems their business of claims does exactly what they dislike in other businesses. Unsubstantiated or speculative claims that are legalized in the name of medicine are okay but snake oil is not (except their brand of snake oil).
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Laramie
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WBraun,
for some diabetics death is or will become certain earlier without insulin. Since pig insulin is similar enough to human insulin to do the job of human insulin we used to use pig insulin for those that did not produce enough. Now we know how to synthesize the hormone.
Those that need (some) insulin will use the synthetic hormone without your approval.
And at sometime in the past apes made gloves to keep their hands warm. We now call 'em humans.
It seems quite arbitrary to call some of our groups creation natural (normal) while we do not for other creation of theirs.
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Melissa
Gym climber
berkeley, ca
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The manufacturer claimed that this simple 5 molecule (probably 5 protein molecules)
Proteins get nearly instantly unfolded/inactivated by the low pH in your stomach if they were structured then digested by the enzymes in your stomach. Protein-based medicines (insulin, EPO, HGH, etc.), need to be injected to work. I wish it wasn't so since I'd love to see my bro pop an insulin pill rather than do all of those injections every day of his life.
Proteins do not "absorb through the oral mucosa" as some of the supplement makers claim. They can get away with selling these preparations because a. the claims of dietary supplements are loosely regulated at best and b. the stuff they are selling is not actually biologically active like HGH and as such is probably as harmful (and useless) as steak protein peptides. The supplements most likely will hurt your wallet and help your hopes, assuming there is not other bonus crap in there.
Here's a well cited article from QuackWatch that I found interesting.
http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/hgh.html
I wish a little shot of HGH was all my body needed right now! Maybe I'd hurt less? Even a brand new car suffers if your run it too hard for too many miles though. I'm not anti-supplement...just anti-taking-stuff where there evidence that it hurts outweighs the evidence that it helps for a given indication. If the opposite was true, drug companies and docs would love to make money selling it to you. Currently, the crew of actual MDs willing to take your money for real HGH injections is fringe at best, and the rest are selling inactive oral hokum with the HGH brand on it.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Laramie
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Melissa,
you may be right why the bean alone would not work. The concoction that comes with the precursor had those stomach neutralizers in it. You were to take the mixed drink first thing in the morning to get absorption and on an empty stomach.
But, as I hint, stimulating the gland does not guarantee the production we seek. The HGH producing gland may already be working at capacity.
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Melissa
Gym climber
berkeley, ca
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If stomach neutralization was a real method for bioactive protein delivery to the blood stream, why don't diabetics just neutralize their stomach and eat insulin?
Even if you could neutralize your stomach, whole proteins don't absorb into the stomach. The amino acids that comprise the protein are what is absorbed. There are only 20 of these, and your body can't tell which protein they came from. The enzymes in your stomach only function at low pH. What doesn't get digested in the stomach gets digested in the small intestine (following neutralization at the entry by bicarbonate secreted by the pancreas) where most of the nutrients (amino acids) are absorbed. The stomach neutralization/bean thing sounds like a very elaborate pseudoscientific regimen to get a small amount of dietary protein.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Laramie
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melissa,
you can absorb some water soluble proteins before they get digested. The insulin hormone is some 53 aminos.
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