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YoungGun
climber
North
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Dec 12, 2011 - 09:37am PT
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My reputation is fine, and furthermore this may come as a shock, but I couldn't care less, what you or the climbing community thinks based on the fact, that in my mind, this is a silly forum and a big campfire with a lot of slander and trolling thrown in for fun. Sorry if I don't take myself as seriously as you and your big rep. I get lots of crap thrown my way here, but climbing is just a hobby to me, always was, I have no ego or sense of importance based on being good at climbing inanimate mountains.
The memories of most campfire conversations are drowned in alcohol or live on with the few who were party to the conversation. Having a conversation where everything is recorded effectively forever and is also available to anyone with an internet connection is a different game. Just saying.
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 12, 2011 - 10:27am PT
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Sounds like he had/ has an issue with the style of ascent, and that's why he arrested him in the first place.
This is how projectionism is done when one lets their mind run amok and and believe it's own bullsh!t.
This had nothing to with personal reasons at all. You climbers made this fuked up law. Not NPS.
You all bitched and moaned for years about power drills. It was pointed out to NPS and land managers by climbers which then forced NPS and land managers to react.
This your doing and not the govt.
Govt for the people by the people. Remember?
Thus a climber outed the Muir Wall team. Law enforcement was called in to enforce the rules that you climbers made on your own selves.
God some of you people are fuking stupid .....
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Dec 12, 2011 - 10:54am PT
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I think he just apoligized already.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Dec 12, 2011 - 10:57am PT
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Tempest in a teapot.
And Mtucker is still a dick. Most likely an Arizona dude named Mark. Carry on.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Dec 12, 2011 - 11:00am PT
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Aaron - is it possible you wrote that final paragraph as you were simul-posting with Scott, not knowing what he was writing? You might want to remove it, eh?
Where, how and on what route did you nearly get the chop and then get rescued? I don't think I know that story.
Incidentally, I think this post reflects well on Keith [and even on Scott]. In spite of hanging around Yosemite a lot, I had never met Keith, but had heard a few Lobo stories in the Valley and especially on McTopo. Perhaps he was not the villain that some made him out to be? It would appear that he cut more than a few climbers some slack, preferring in some cases to enforce the "spirit" rather than the "letter" of the law. His wife seemed nice to me - she once gave me a lift in her ranger car back to Curry at midnight when I was stranded in the meadows without wheels.
Edit re Locker's post below: And accordingly, I would like to apologize to Keith for thinking that maybe he wasn't such a nice guy.
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Dec 12, 2011 - 11:03am PT
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You all bitched and moaned for years about power drills. It was pointed out to NPS and land managers by climbers which then forced NPS and land managers to react.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Dec 12, 2011 - 11:13am PT
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I've never used a power drill for bolting on the rock 'outside' but use one when bolting climbs in caves. Yes, they are a bit noisy.
What is a far more intrusive and annoying noise - or at least it used to be - was the constant noise of chainsaws coming from the woodlot in the forest to the west of the El Cap meadows, and below the SW Face of El Cap. For years, those things were running non-stop all day long, day after day. For whatever reason, they were far less audible this year. Anybody know anything about that? Did climbers complain [I hope so] and were the chainsaws toned down?
The other truly annoying thing you hear up on the wall all the time is the sound of sirens, where the Keystone Cop rangers all drive down the road at great speed and noise to some emergency real or imagined. I live in a bustling city with a far greater population than Yosemite Valley, and I can say with certainty I do knott hear as many sirens blasting around as I do when I'm up on the wall. It's almost like park rangers enjoy hearing the noise of their own sirens, and make a point of using them all the time. It is impossible for so many emergencies to occur so frequently in so small a place.
I would love a ranger to comment on these two concerns, please.
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zip
Trad climber
pacific beach, ca
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Dec 12, 2011 - 11:32am PT
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i'm still waiting for Locker to apologize to me.
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barry ohm
Trad climber
escondido, ca
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Dec 12, 2011 - 11:32am PT
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Its a a mistake to put a cordless battery powered drill in the same category of equipment as gas powered equipment.
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 12, 2011 - 11:40am PT
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Pete
The wood yard west of El Cap meadows has been eliminated for winter firewood harvesting.
Excess wood from downed trees, hazard tree removal and the sort were put there for locals to cut into rounds to be split for their winter fuel in their wood stoves.
There was a 10 dollar fee per cord required to access this downed fuel resource.
The whole system was moved. This why you don't hear the chainsaws anymore.
Next; the use of emergency response: sirens.
Pete have you ever driven code to an emergency response?
Most likely NOT otherwise we wouldn't be hearing your complaint!
You have no idea of all the variable dangers involved.
Even with lights and sirens there is still no guarantee that traffic and pedestrians will yield and respond giving the right away.
There's intense concentration and discretion involved to not cause an accident in the response, it's dangerous if taken lightly.
If you do cause an accident you've failed the response.
Lights and siren are used to minimize this. You still can't assume anyone is going to see you and respond to your right of way.
When there's no traffic ahead for a good visual distance and it's deemed safe sometimes the siren is shut down with just the emergency lights engaged.
Everyone is aware of it's annoyance but it's a necessary evil and it echos off the walls here.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Dec 12, 2011 - 11:55am PT
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Can't we all just get a bong?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 12, 2011 - 12:02pm PT
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No probs with sirens - just Harleys - they should be turned around at the entrance.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Dec 12, 2011 - 12:18pm PT
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It is impossible for so many emergencies to occur so frequently in so small a place.
4 million visitors a year in that little valley. Most of whom visit during a short window of time.
I live in a bustling city with a far greater population than Yosemite Valley, and I can say with certainty I do knott hear as many sirens blasting around
I bet you don't hear the buses as well in the city as you do on a wall. Or the harleys. It has to do with the 3000 foot walls containing the sound. Plus the fact that once you are above tree line there is nothing to block the sound. On the ground you don't hear nearly as many buses or harleys.
Surely you have been in a cave when someone a hundred feet aways belches or farts and you hear it.
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ionlyski
Trad climber
Kalispell, Montana
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Dec 12, 2011 - 12:22pm PT
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Next question: Who's Coz gonna go postal on next?
And then......I was just havin fun n games boys.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Dec 12, 2011 - 12:33pm PT
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Govt for the people by the people. Remember?
werner,
thats what i been tryin to tell you about 911!
lol
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Dec 12, 2011 - 12:53pm PT
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Coz wrote Let me be clear, NPS wanted to arrest us on top of El Cap and throw us in jail, Lobo went to great lengths to have them only issues us a citation, making many phone calls on our behave and pulling a few strings, he gave us our dope back and didn't arrest us for that.
I have no beef with Keith or grudge, he was only doing his job and in my mind he did it well. He didn't make the law, replacing bolts with a power drill, seems legit to me, it's the nazi tree huggers you can blame, not NPS and their employee, who I've worked along side with and have risk life and limb.
I have personally told him so and told him it wasn't his fault. He has always been cool to me, and let me drive around on expired tags, back when I had no money.
It was wrong of me to try and bring who I thought was MTucker out by baiting him, I was really only having fun, sorry if it went too far. I really did think it was him going mental in his retirement. My bad, what else can I say.
So, Werner is 100 percent correct, on this and just about every point.
Victory #2 for the truth, humility and showing a better way of dealing with our foibles. Kudos
We're on a roll. Maybe Tucker will see that working things through, being willing to see when you're wrong, fessing up and forgiveness all around is better than shunning and shaming for us all
Peace
Karl
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Russ Walling
Gym climber
Poofter's Froth, Wyoming
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Dec 12, 2011 - 01:07pm PT
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crunch
Social climber
CO
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Dec 12, 2011 - 01:14pm PT
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Hey coz,
Thanks for your posts here; honest, passionate and ruthlessly up front--telling it how you see it.
fattrad has a point though:
GAVE YOUR POT BACK?????????????? Lober likely committed a crime
It's one thing for a LEO to do what you allege--a very kind gesture. But I'd suggest you might want to think about editing your posts above where you give specifics about this. This is a public forum, the LEO is question is specifically named, we're talking allegations of a serious federal offense.
To you it's water under the bridge, but think of it this way: If this is sprayed about in public, you can be sure that in the future a ranger in Yosemite will think twice about repeating such an act of kindness to another climber, regardless of any mitigating circumstances.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Dec 12, 2011 - 01:32pm PT
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they say that every LAPD squad car has an extra handgun sequestered away ILLEGALLY. use sparingly, of course. true, fattrad? urban legend? do you think we expect you to give us a straight answer?
have you ever known a LEO to arrest, or even investigate, a higher up, a 'way higher up, or even an immediate supervisor for doing something ILLEGAL?
it's amusing the extent to which people go to maintain their little myths of propriety in face of realpolitik, in the era of the free speech zone.
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TFPU
Sport climber
Idaho
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Dec 12, 2011 - 01:36pm PT
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Fattrad = Serpico
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