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dirtbag
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So why hasn't the media jumped all over this? Seems like the story of the century. Let me guess: they're all involved in a conspiracy/cover-up.
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Yeah, Dirtbag.
Where's Woodward and Bernstien when we need them?
Looks like low hanging fruit for a Pulitzer.
All they gotta do is cut-and-paste some of those Klimmer/Matt/Karl Baba pieces and we can do a remake of "All the President's Men".
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426
Sport climber
Mystery Groove...
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Like I always steal from the D'ineh, "you can't awaken a man that pretends to sleep."
Keep dreamin' sweet neocons (often seen in a libertarian's disguise)...when you wake up, do explain why the FAA tapes were destroyed (and this comes out in '04...whoa...)
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=faa+tapes+destroyed+9%2F11
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Spinmaster K-Rove
Trad climber
Stuck Under the Kor Roof
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I don't think the FAA tapes would have shown a conspiracy to kill anyone, just a conspiracy of negligence and cover-up. A lot of people screwed the pooch on this one and are more than happy to see the evidence gone.
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426
Sport climber
Mystery Groove...
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I agree, while not an indictment in itself, maybe it should open an "eye wide shut".
At least a raised eyebrow from the 'slumbering' crowd...
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 5, 2006 - 12:59pm PT
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One thing to keep in mind, this isn't a Republican vs. Democrat issue. This is a truth issue. A who is really responsible issue.
Dr. Jones was a Republican until very recently. He is now looking for a new party that represents his values.
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Hootervillian
climber
Zak's Cabin
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So why hasn't the media jumped all over this?
Seems to me that with all the big bucks circulating out there and the various axes to grind, someone would have taken this ball and run with it big time in terms of the news media.
sounds to me like a couple of you are falling for that vast, bush-hating, liberal media conspiracy theory.
I'd like to get to the bottom of this one right away. anyone got Murdochs/bin Talal's number? GE customer support?
Please Advise.
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WoodyS
Trad climber
Riverside
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It was the perfect plan--we thought. But it appears we made an error or two and some scientists and engineers are on to us. All five hundred of the team managed to keep their mouths shut; the payoffs to the media worked well; all the bodies of the passengers were weighted and dropped into the sea; the FAA people in Pennsylvania and at the Pentagon hung with us doing their patriotic duty in the cover-up. All the witnesses we whacked. Rove said it would work; the Pres. liked it; the Joint Chiefs liked it. I mean, who could guess that we could garner so many sociopaths and such efficiency to work and co-operate together and keep their yaps shut--in the US government. Now we're doomed by a few geeks who've seen through it all.
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Hootervillian
climber
Zak's Cabin
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all the bodies of the passengers were weighted and dropped into the sea;
come on now. one conspiracy theory at a time. i mean, you'd need a lot of trucks drivers and cement cobblers for that kinda thing. and you know one of them would have squealed.
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Werner, you might want to adjust your oxygen mixture. It sounds like you've been breathing too much nitrogen in your space suit again...
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Hootervillian
climber
Zak's Cabin
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I'm interested in the way the James quotes relate to your opinion Lois. Care to expound?
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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It was the perfect plan--we thought. But it appears we made an error or two and some scientists and engineers are on to us. All five hundred of the team managed to keep their mouths shut; the payoffs to the media worked well; all the bodies of the passengers were weighted and dropped into the sea; the FAA people in Pennsylvania and at the Pentagon hung with us doing their patriotic duty in the cover-up. All the witnesses we whacked. Rove said it would work; the Pres. liked it; the Joint Chiefs liked it. I mean, who could guess that we could garner so many sociopaths and such efficiency to work and co-operate together and keep their yaps shut--in the US government. Now we're doomed by a few geeks who've seen through it all.
LMAO
Not to mention Osama and his kindred spirits have been braging about pulling it off ever since.
But then maybe Salafists and Wahhabists are a figment of some neocon think tank also. The riots over cartoons are really a CIA Vulcan mind meld plot.
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WBraun
climber
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Those in the modes of ignorance do not know what is right and what is wrong, what is to be done and what is not to be done.
Rudderless.
Edited later; Minerals, that was a pretty funny statement. I loved it.
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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RokJox tells us "No 700 class jetliner full of people and fuel hit the Pentagon".
I'll admit I don't know anybody in New York or Western Pennsylvania. But I know at least a dozen people in the Washington D.C. area. These people I have known all my life. These people are called "Family". I know for a fact the Pentagon was hit by an airliner. I have spoken to an eye-witness, as recently as Thanksgiving '05. This person is my uncle, on 9-11-01 he was working one half mile from the Pentagon. The "700 class jetliner" that hit the pentagon flew over his head he estimates 400 mph and less than 300 feet altitude. So close he felt the wind it created and smelled it's exhaust.
This is the one fact I can check myself, without having to rely on TV News, National Magazines, News Papers, Talk Radio, or the Internet to spoon-feed me what they think I should believe.
This is why I stand behind my earlier statement "Anybody who tells you an airplane did not hit the Pentagon (RokJox) is lying to you and should not be trusted on the subject of 9-11-01, or any other subject". Just as George Bush is not to be trusted again on the subject of "Weapons of Mass Destruction".
It comes to me as no surprise RokJox would make the threat "I will attempt to seriously kick your ass". That's what some people who run out of intelectual ammunition do to change the subject away from their unconvincing argument. Before I retired, I spent 18 years as a bartender. I've seen that one at least a hundred times.
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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Does Jones have a single peer-reviewed article published in any physics journal? There is oddly no list of his research. Also a bit odd is the reference to "cold fusion".
Has there been serious academic work in this field since Pons and Fleischmann were debunked in the '80s?
Has he actually made any direct physical observations of any of the evidence?
"Never happened before". That is a truly wonderful argument against an event happening. I had never had an auto accident before my first one. Guess the first one never happened. Never in history before 1941 had the Japanese attacked the US Navy in Pearl Harbor. Wonder who had an interest in putting those ships under water.
This thread can not exist! Never in history before 2001 had anyone posted a thread with this title: "Let Dr. Jones remove your 9-11 blinders once and for all"
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Karen
Trad climber
Good question?
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"In the fall of 1958, Lockheed began deliveries of a new four-engine turboprop Model L.188 civil transport to US airlines. The sleek airliner, known as the Electra, set a new pace for luxury and speed for propeller transports. Over 170 Electras were built by Lockheed and delivered to US and South American airlines.
Soon after introduction to the civil transport fleet, the Electra suffered two widely publicized fatal accidents with suspicious wreckage that raised concern over the structural integrity of the aircraft. On September 29, 1959, a Braniff Electra cruising near Buffalo, Texas, disintegrated without survivors. Investigation of the dispersal of aircraft wreckage revealed that the left wing had failed and separated from the aircraft in flight. The Electra exploded in flight, with the loss of all 34 persons aboard.
On 17 March 1960 another Lockheed Electra lost a wing in turbulent air and crashed near the towns of Tell City and Cannelton, Ind., with startling similarity to the Texas accident. Its right wing was found over 11,000 ft from the crash site, which indicated that it had also been torn from the aircraft. All 63 persons aboard the Northwest Airlines flight were killed. On 20 March 1960, FAA reduced the top cruising speed of the Electra Model 188 series turboprop airliners from 373 to 316 m.p.h., pending determination of the cause. Additional restrictions effective on 25 March included a further cutback in permissible speed (down to 259 m.p.h., or 225 knots) and a series of rigid tests and inspections. These measures seemed warranted by similarities between the Tell City crash and the crash of another Electra in Texas".
You ask what has this to do with anything? Well, two of these crashes the planes nose doved straight in, bodies were not recovered, due to being completely atomized!!!! An excellant book (out of print) called the, "Electra Story", gives the full account of these crashes, the mystery involved.
I can believe with no problem in certain cases there wouldn't be any bodies to recover. Dr. Jones seems to me just another whacko conspiracy theorist.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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There's a reason air crews lace a dog tag into their boots.
The absence of recoverable remains is not that uncommon in high energy crashes.
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dirtbag
climber
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Some of you guys have been watching too many episodes of X-files. I guess someone will want to kick my ass now: well, take a number.
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David
Trad climber
San Rafael, CA
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I looked up this guys bio. It's impressive in many ways.
Yet I can't help but notice that this particular professor seems to have made a habit of reaching awe inspiring conclusions by focusing exclusively on isolated fragments of evidence.
http://www.physics.byu.edu/faculty/jones/rel491/handstext%20and%20figures.htm
I guess I tend to be of the opposite mindset and feel that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
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dirtbag
climber
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I read Chaz's statement differently. I didn't think he was calling you a liar. I thought he calling your sources, who are claiming that 9/11 wasn't caused by airplanes, liars.
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