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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jan 13, 2006 - 06:21pm PT
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A friend of mine ate a nutmeg once. He said that every time he threw up, he got higher.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Jan 13, 2006 - 06:29pm PT
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happiegrrrl, I think you win. Or loose, however you look at it.
:- k
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Jan 13, 2006 - 06:33pm PT
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I just remembered my first injestion of a hallucinogen....
I was 4 years old and had just finished watching Wally Gator (an alligator in a cartoon from the 60's)on TV. He was always eating these saltwater turnips....
I went outside to play, and when I came upon my mother's bed of Iris's.......I thought they looked like the turnips from TV. So, I ate them.
I seem to remember tripping, but don't know if that's true. Anyway, I DO know that my parents took me to the ER. My mom was an RN and was practically on a first name basis with the Poison Control hotline people. I know that she called, and whatever had to be done, she couldn't do it at home.
I got in a lot of trouble when I got home.....
Edit: Yes, K-Man....huffing anything is pretty bad. I certainly almost lost, that I can say. especially in the last three months of using, which was solely alcohol, except for one use of pot laced with something. But after I got clean and sober, I found a life that is really quite incredible. A life that had been taken from me long before I ever even ate those Iris's, that I never would have known was out there if I hadn't had a hell to compare the paradise found with.
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Darnell
Big Wall climber
Chicago
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Jan 13, 2006 - 07:00pm PT
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I am pretty sure that tobacco has killed more ppl. on this planet than meth, alcohol, propane, pcp etc.
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WBraun
climber
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Jan 13, 2006 - 07:02pm PT
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Nope not by a long shot! The worst drug is our own selves.
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Jan 13, 2006 - 07:11pm PT
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I worry about Werner. I think it might be all the radon gas?
:)
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hobo
Trad climber
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Jan 13, 2006 - 07:12pm PT
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Werner, could you describe to me how oneself can be a drug?
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WBraun
climber
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Jan 13, 2006 - 07:16pm PT
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Desire
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hobo
Trad climber
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Jan 13, 2006 - 07:20pm PT
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Desire eh? Hmmmmm.... Im not making the connections here. Too many drugs i guess.
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hobo
Trad climber
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Jan 13, 2006 - 07:22pm PT
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Jeez, what time is it?
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WBraun
climber
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Jan 13, 2006 - 07:32pm PT
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Due to our rebelious desires, the drug of our own making, the illusionary energy is our reward.
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bryan howell
Big Wall climber
truckee,ca
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Jan 13, 2006 - 07:39pm PT
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ETOH
Tobacco
the two worst drugs for your body. Both phsychologically and physically.
All the other illigal stuff doesn't do near as much damage as those two. . . and they are the two legal ones. . . . go figure.
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Mary Prankster
Social climber
Bumphuque, Eqypt
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Jan 13, 2006 - 09:05pm PT
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Climbing
consider....
1. highly addictive with severe withdrawal symptoms
2. very dangerous
3. no medicinal value
4. long term abuse is clinically proven to cause massive damage to tendons, ligaments, mental stability and personal relationships.
5. often leads to social withdrawal.
6. easily available even if you are under 21 yrs. old. In fact its widely peddled to children even inside our public schools by criminally vicious pushers and climbing addicts.
7. packaged and sold in variety of forms: trad, sport, the extremely dangerous and destructive "ice", boulder, etc.
8. known to spread aids directly.
9. the list goes on and on. we must do something about this modern day epidemic scourge. I'm going soloing.
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WBraun
climber
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Jan 13, 2006 - 11:13pm PT
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Yes, yes the Mary Prankster, has more brains then the rest of these so called drug experts here.
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Jan 13, 2006 - 11:48pm PT
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-Do you ever Work alone?
-Do you ever Work before noon?
-Do you ever Work during the week?
-Do you ever Work and drive?
-Do you ever lie about your Work?
-Do you ever try to hide your Work?
-Has anyone ever told you there is a problem with your Work?
-Does Work ever cause you to avoid your family and friends?
-Has Work ever caused you to miss a day of drinking?
-Do you wish you could stop Working, but feel powerless to quit?
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Loom
climber
167 stinking feet above sea level : (
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Jan 13, 2006 - 11:49pm PT
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Religion
If it wasn't for religion Bush would still be in Midland TX snorting coke, drinking bourbon, and wreaking small-scale familial destruction instead of f*#king this entire country over as he fails in his every attempt to be another Emperor Constantine.
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mark miller
Social climber
Reno
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Jan 14, 2006 - 12:53pm PT
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Maybe it's my association with musicians and construction workers but you guys seem pretty isolated, I've seen to much from musicians shooting up back stage( that'll turn your stomach) to teenage musicians and teenage professional bowlers, ( kids under 20)
drink so much and ruin their lives, these kids would wake up in the morning and turn a bottle of Jack to get out of bed, ( I could only keep up that life style for 18 months before I started bleeding from the inside). I've seen and done most of it but the effect's crank has are the worst, I lost a drummer (freind for 20 years),and countless other associates. I only know 1 person who has come back from that game and even being clean for 3 years he still looks like the photo on the right. NASTY SH#T!
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Jan 14, 2006 - 03:49pm PT
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I had a friend whose son-in-law got addicted to prescription painkillers and it was ungodly horrible. He had hurt his back, and got on that Oxycontin.
The kid had been a family friend known for a long time and was always a totally straight arrow, hardworking, good kid. The slide he went through.....the lies and manipulation, the covering up by his wife as she went to her mother(my friend) always in need of more money because of some cockamamie bizarrely twisted scenarios....
Some of those scrip abusers too...think they are "different/better" than your garden variety junkie or drunk, in the detox programs. Difficult for them to identify, when they're buying their stuff under a doctors orders in broad daylight at the corner drugstore. Not putting 2 and 2 together and realizing it's not normal to be going to multiple doctors with multiple stories.....
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Jan 14, 2006 - 04:31pm PT
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I always wondered - how is Tylenol like you would get from a doctor different that Tylenol the over-the-counter pain reliever?
Someone close to me used to live on a daily cocktail of Tylenol and Nyquil PM.
But they "weren't drinking, dammit!".....
They are dead now, though not directly related to the above.
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Jan 14, 2006 - 04:56pm PT
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Lets talk more about Vicodin. I had back surgery 2 years ago next month. Live with chronic pain everyday and now have another disc that has been giving me problems. Naporsyn, Advil etc... do nothing for the pain. I take between 3 and 4 500mg Vicodin a day. On a good day I wont take any, on a bad day I will take 4 maybe 5 max. I am worried more about liver function than getting hooked. I somtimes go a week or more without taking any but that is rare. Prior to the Vicodin I was popping Advil like crazy everyday. My doctor said it was better to take a few Vicodin a day than to take the large amounts of Advil I was taking every day. Vicodin has been the only thing that makes my pain tollerable. I dont wake up wanting the Vicodin but after a few hours on my feet or sitting the pain is extreme. BTW I dont take it at work so I would say I take 3-4 Vicodin 20 out of 30 days a month. Any advice for alternate pain management Tx? I dont want to fry my liver.
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