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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Cragman- Like myself at times, Donald Trump comes across as arrogant. I simply don't see it that way.....he is a successful businessman who has been bold enough to take RISK.....make some mistakes....eat some crow.....and then FIND a way to FIX the problem.
I don't think Cragman would ever stiff a sub to increase profits- one of Donald's standard tactics .
I don't think Cragman ever had the banks come in with a golden parachute and bail him out just to maintain the name branding.
I don't think Cragman ever cost investors billions of dollars.
I don't think Cragman has been sued hundreds of times.
I don't think there's a Cragman University.
I don't think Cragman used eminent domain to kick people off their land.
Perhaps we should try not to define success solely on a man's wealth without considering his conduct.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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+2 for crankster getting and proving it again, that Cragman supported Trump.
Duuuede! Thanks for taking the time to prove the history-challenged wrong yet again!
And while I'm thanking folks.
Thanks all for putting up a gud fight against the forces of evil.
(even though I like Rick)
Sandstone Conglomerate!
You get my award for second-best (after crankster) posts of the day.
Jan 6, 2017 - 04:20pm PT
Look at what Obama was handed: 2 unwinnable wars (courtesy of that fuknut Dubya), a financial disaster, and a GOP that was determined to block every move he made because of the color of his skin. He did pretty damn well, all things considered.
So, fuk Donald Drumpf, his billionaire cabinet, his stupid fukin wall, and his unforgivable ignorance.
Jan 6, 2017 - 04:59pm PT
MB1, I'm a gun-toting liberal who believes in abortion, gay rights, and legalization of drugs. I voted for Clinton because I know drumpf is an out of touch piece of sh#t.
My vote was against drumpf, not for clinton. The majority of democratic voters didn't turn out for this election because they thought clinton had it in the bag. Shame on them. I think drumpf is a stain on this country, a poor representation of what this country is.
I thought the same thing when that dumbfuk Dubya was elected and his strings pulled by Cheyney on Iraq and Afghanistan. I voted for Obama twice. I would have voted for him a third time.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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It happened because there are a sh#t ton of stupid people in this country.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Alas I am overseas right now, about to hit the local climbing gym with a BD distributor
I wonder what B.D is going to do now that the gear in hecho in mexico?
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Enough people turned out for Hillary
its just that their votes were never counted
From Crossheck and other voter machine shenanigans
Before and during the vote, minorities were turning out in record numbers with exit poll collaboration that they voted for Hillary
after the vote counts were counted, for some reason the counts indicated that minorities were voting very low numbers, or for Trump
Exit poll numbers do not lie
vote counts always match exit polls
so the hand wringing and attacks on Hillary's character at this point is just stupid
and pointless
and sad
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Full Page ad in the New York Times
1/4/2017
Read and Sign the Call to Action to STOP Trump and Pence BEFORE they Come to Power.
https://refusefascism.org/we-refuse-to-accept-a-fascist-america/
In the Name of Humanity, We REFUSE To Accept a Fascist America!
Donald Trump, the President-elect, is assembling a regime of grave danger. Millions of people in the US and around the world are filled with deep anxiety, fear, and disgust. Our anguish is right and just. Our anger must now become massive resistance –before Donald Trump is inaugurated and has the full reins of power in his hands.
Should we fail to rise with determination and daring in our millions now to stop this, the consequences for humanity will be disastrous. We, the undersigned, know in the depths of our beings, the catastrophe that will befall the people of the world should the Trump/Pence regime assume full power.
We therefore CALL FOR A MONTH OF RESISTANCE beginning on December 19th, reaching a crescendo by the January 20th 2017 Inauguration.
Our resistance must spread rapidly to every sphere and every corner of the country. Because we refuse to accept a fascist America, millions must rise up in a resistance with a deep determination such that we create a political crisis that prevents the Trump/Pence fascist regime from consolidating its hold on the governance of society.
The Presidency of Donald Trump is illegitimate.
Donald Trump did not win the popular vote. Not even close, he lost by 2.5 million votes. He won the Electoral College – an institution set up in 1787 to protect slavery. This legacy of the most brutal oppression of Black people has become the means that enabled the election of Trump and Pence.
More fundamentally, it is the fascist character of the Trump/Pence regime and what they are planning to do which renders it illegitimate and an immoral peril to the future of humanity and the earth itself.
Under the slogan “Make America Great Again,” Donald Trump has viciously attacked Mexicans and Muslims, threatening to register and deport millions, closing borders. He incites fear and hate of all who are “different” – nationalities, religions, or gender. He crudely demeans and degrades women, openly boasting about molesting them. He champions white supremacy and whips up a racist lynch-mob mentality. Trump has mocked the disabled. He is a bellicose militarist, who threatens to use nuclear weapons. He openly advocates war crimes — including torture. He vows to pack the Supreme Court with justices who will take away the right to abortion and gay rights. He denies science – calling climate change a hoax and will wreak devastation on the environment. He has attacked and threatened the press and stirred up his supporters to do the same. He has threatened to strip citizenship for constitutionally protected dissent. Trump has utter contempt for facts and the truth, and consistently lies to advance his agenda. As for the rule of law, Trump went so far as to openly threaten his opponent, Hillary Clinton, not only with jail, but even assassination. By any definition, Donald Trump is a fascist. He has put together a regime that will carry out this program, and worse.
This is fascism and it is a very serious thing. It has direction and momentum that must be stopped before it becomes too late.
Fascism foments and relies on xenophobic nationalism, racism, misogyny, and the aggressive re-institution of oppressive “traditional values.” Fascism feeds on and encourages the threat and use of violence to build a movement and come to power. Fascism, once in power, essentially eliminates traditional democratic rights. Fascism attacks, jails, even executes its opponents, and launches violent mob attacks on “minorities.” In Nazi Germany in the 1930s and ’40s, fascism did all these things. This is where this can go. And yes, Hitler himself could “talk graciously” when he felt it would serve his interests and lull his opponents.
In the world today, shockwaves reverberate. Over decades in the U.S. virulent movements of white supremacy and anti-immigrant hysteria have gained momentum. A narrow, intolerant, and political form of Christian fundamentalism has been brought into government and policy at all levels. The Trump/Pence cabinet and judiciary will coalesce all of this and worse at the highest level of power, with horrific consequences. No election, whether fair or fraudulent, should legitimize this. “Reaching across the aisle” only legitimizes that which is illegitimate.
If you work with fascists you normalize the road to horror. You cannot try to “wait things out.” Those who lived through Nazi Germany and sat on the sidelines, looking on as Hitler demonized, criminalized, and eventually rounded up one group after another, became shameful collaborators with monstrous crimes. Don’t Conciliate… Don’t Accommodate… Don’t Collaborate!
The Trump Regime Must and Can Be Stopped Before It Starts!
This is not wishful thinking but could be made a reality if all who hate what is represented by this fascist regime translate our outrage into massive mobilization to create the political conditions which make this possible. We are millions. Our only recourse now is to act together outside normal channels. Every faction within the established power structure must be forced to respond to what we do – creating a situation where the Trump/Pence regime is prevented from ruling.
We call on each and every one who opposes what this regime stands for, and what it will do, to take part in and actively build, this resistance and refusal. Organize. Plan. Act.
The Month of Resistance
Starting 12/19/16, it begins – the day the Electoral College meets to vote in each state: hold a press conference or a protest. Starting now, distribute this Call everywhere and on social media, host house meetings, fundraising events concerts and forums. Everywhere step up the resistance: walkouts from schools and work, protests against attacks and threats on Muslims, women, people of color, LGBT people – all linked to the objective of Stopping the Trump/Pence regime. The struggle must grow.
On MLK weekend, there needs to be massive demonstrations of many thousands in key cities, including Washington. D.C., that grow to millions over the next week, protests that don’t stop . . . where people refuse to leave and more and more people stand up with conviction and courage demanding:
NO! We Refuse to Accept a Fascist America!
It’s not enough just to sign this Call – millions, tens of millions of people need to become aware of it in the days and weeks ahead. Print it and distribute it everywhere you go, leave it on buses and trains, in schools, in stores, places of worship, coffee shops … make it go viral on social media … use it as a basis for participating in or organizing activities where you live.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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not evile per say just stunningly stupid. old people vote for trump voted to reduce their social security and medicare, eveyone who voted for trump voted to lose their health coverage. can't fix stupid.
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Russia - 1
USA - 0
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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The real question is why the Republicans are so willing to say nothing about Trump's character, policies, pathological lying, obvious fascism, dictator like ideas of how Gov. works, etc.
they are just giddy with their power coup
and have plans to use this time to their advantage
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Low T, this explains so very much. So sad!
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WBraun
climber
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Americans don't have a good leader period.
Just corrupt people.
America is less than 5% of the World's population but consumes 80% of the World's prescription narcotics.
America is mentally sick and thus is clueless ....
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Norton
Social climber
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bravecowboy
Read the Snopes.com finding on Trump and Klinefelters
They call the claim false
I think Snopes is wrong
because nothing they said addressed or refuted the extra X chromosome
as reported his Selective Service record
In addition this goes a long way towards explaining why Trump
refused to release his full medical records and instead
put out a simple letter from a weird doctor saying his health is perfect to make a great President
Also, the classic Klinefelter's issues of lower than average intelligence and difficult social issues match well with Trump
Note: this is NOT a low testosterone issue
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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WBraun- Americans don't have a good leader period.
In there lies the beauty, most Americans don't require a leader to make decisions and achieve prosperity- unlike the mindless and sorid foot soldiers that occupy the history books of so many other countries.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Apologizing for her about who's deplorable and who ain't, hasn't changed what a lot of decent people think about having their dignity being questioned and compared to, in the first place.
People who freely and happily associate with racists, KKK, rapists, should give large consideration to what their dignity means, compared with their reality, and ACTUAL decency.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Ethics office warns that Trump, GOP rushing Cabinet confirmations
http://flip.it/Qwq7aG
Sorry Trump supporters- this crap is going to drip, drip, drip, drip...
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