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dirtbag
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Nov 13, 2006 - 03:19pm PT
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Question:
Has anyone else ever read a 217 post thread and afterwards, felt like they might have lost an IQ point or two from the experience?
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 13, 2006 - 03:31pm PT
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NIST - the National Institute of Standards and Technology is a federal technology agency.
Another govt. agency, Curt, that can be manipulated for the so called cause.
Now my IQ has risen one more notch up, Dirtbag ......
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Largo
Sport climber
Venice, Ca
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Nov 13, 2006 - 05:27pm PT
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History usually judges a president on results, period. What a perwson believes, his intentions are and so forth is of no moment in the long run since what matters is the effect a president had on the country and the world. In Bush's case we are looking at four main events: 9-11, Katrina, Iraq, and the state of the economy.
9-11 can be looked on as a breakdown in the intelligence community, but youy can't really lay that on George. He seemed to handle the basic event in a satisfactory way. However he over reacted and that led to the Iraq debacle, with all the good old boys (Halifurton) profiting handsomely while the troups die like dogs in a conflict that was based on WMDs that were not there and a presidential agenda that was folly, led by a narcissist (Rumsfeld) that didn't listen to military people in the know. This is a national disaster that is only now being fully understood--the results say so clearly.
Katrina was another debacle led by Bush's incompetant cronies. We looked like a 3rd world nation. A disgrace.
Our economy is probably going to suffer dreadfully for the billions spent on Iraq.
Anyone who is pleased with these kinds of results sets the bar very low for a President. I'm ashamed of what has gone down because I expect far better results and believe they are possible.
JL
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Nov 13, 2006 - 06:13pm PT
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Largo, I agree with most of what you said but must modify a bit: the mayor of New Orleans and the Gov. of Louisiana were the first responders and made thing ten times worse. The Fed screwed up also. But, the biggest damage was done at the state and local level.
I don't believe the economy will take a big hit due to Iraq. It will suffer some but not a great deal. We'll just have to wait and see.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Nov 14, 2006 - 03:32am PT
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Continued speculation on how they brought down the WTC towers with controlled demolition (CD) . . .
My hypothesis is that they did it remotely, using a state of the art wireless RF computer controlled firing system, and had many floors wired for detonation above the jet impact zone and below the impact zone, just to make sure. Wires would have been a logistical nightmare. They simply chose what floor to initiate the sequence for a top-down CD to give the illusion of a tower failure due to jet impact and fire. Along with explosive thermate (not thermite) cutting charges to cut key beams before the towers came down and during the collapse sequence. Yes many exposions occured prior to the buildings collapsing, several large ones even before the towers were hit by jets. Yes, it is true that this kind of collasping has never ever happened before in the history of towering high-rise buildings due to fire or jet airplane impacts, yet it did perfectly 3 times in a row on 9-11-01. Wow, imagine the odds of that!!??
Someone upstream, (I won't say who) said basically it isn't possible to do this wireless since the EM spectrum is crowded, confused and would be insanely dangerous. Google: Remote Controlled Wireless Pyrotechnics and Firework Shows, and you get plenty of hits to show people are doing just that . . .
Very interesting . . . here is just one:
http://www.pyromate.com/wireless-firing-system.htm
And another . . .
http://www.skylighter.com/mall/pop_GN6020.html
Think the government has this capability and an even more elaborate model? They probably have the "M1 GI False-Flag GOV ver 9.11.01" on steroids (lol). It's a no-brainer. The control center for this CD operation was the floor in WTC 7 with the blast resistant windows that had been recently installed. And how close is WTC Tower 7 to WTC Towers 1 and 2? Close enough that RF control is not a problem.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Nov 14, 2006 - 06:22am PT
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Man, it's an echo in here, and a hollow one at that. Again, undetected physical access for installing that amount of explosives on the columns was flat out impossible without first assasinating every janitor, office manager, and network administrator in every building. Again, no one would dream of using a wireless detonator system in lower Manhattan and even if attempted the firing sequences would be badly off and the pattern easily discernable which, regardless of how much you babble on about it, was not identified or detected by anyone credible. It's ludicrous in every aspect.
But, just for entertainment's sake, and say 77 didn't hit the Pentagon, where is the plane? And where are the passengers? Where did they go? It did take off from Dulles - let's not go down the "there was no flight" road. What happened to the plane and passengers? Do you understand the degree of federal and state agency coordination that would be required for a commercial flight of U.S. citizens to simply disappear?
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Blight
Social climber
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Nov 14, 2006 - 07:07am PT
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Again, undetected physical access for installing that amount of explosives on the columns was flat out impossible without first assasinating every janitor, office manager, and network administrator in every building.
Every intelligence service in the world employs operatives whose specific job is to enter premises and install surveillance equipment, remove property or access computer networks. Often these premises are in foreign countries and are very secure and well guarded.
Do you honestly think that such specialists would experience any real difficulty in gaining access to a lightly guarded building at home with government assistance?
Again, no one would dream of using a wireless detonator system in lower Manhattan and even if attempted the firing sequences would be badly off and the pattern easily discernable which, regardless of how much you babble on about it, was not identified or detected by anyone credible.
Are you saying that comemrcially available wireless systems like HiEx's Teleblaster and the CAMESE BlastPED don't work? Perhaps you should get in touch with those companies and all their professional clients who have been using the systems successfully for years - even underground - and tell them that they're all wrong.
I'm sure that with your impeccable credentials in explosives handling and demolition they'll immediately agree that they, like Klimmer, are insane fantasists who hate america, right?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Nov 14, 2006 - 01:20pm PT
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Try looking into it just a little.
I can't hold your hand and make you read articles and watch videos/DVDs. Yet, I have provided many links already that answer all of these questions and more. Look-up stream in this thread and you will find the links.
Watch "9-11 Mysteries," perhaps the best out there on the CD of the 3 WTC towers 1, 2 and 7.
In a nut shell:
9-11 was the big wedding for the BCF and his Neo-con Rethug Administration. They have all been involved together for many years, and are infamous for many events/crimes just to name one --- Iran/Contra/CIA/Drugs for Guns. Look into PNAC, they spell out what their intentions are.
On 9-11, with this massive false-flag operation, the Neo-cons and Larry Silverstein got just what they wanted: the Neo-cons got their "New Pearl Harbor" to deceive the masses into an illegal pre-emtive war for war profiteering and oil, hysteria and caos in the ME (watch the movie Syriana) also leads to profits. Larry Silverstein the current owner of the WTC towers who insured the towers against terrorist acts for billions of dollars, prior to 9-11, obviously received the billions in insurance after the fact, and at the same time got out of major lemons on his hands. The tenancy of the towers were in decline, they needed to be retro-fitted for the latest technology, and it was going to take perhaps billions to properly remove the (Hazmat) asbestos from all the towers that needed to be removed under environmental regs and law. All of this and more were taken care in one full swoop. And we now have the great new enemy and "Boogy-man" Al CIA-duh and OBL, who was our former CIA operative and many suspect he still is. Ask who benefits, and then you have your answer.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Nov 14, 2006 - 01:25pm PT
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Klimmer,
BST, PNAC, WTF?
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Nov 14, 2006 - 02:26pm PT
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It's all detailed in a Youtube video. It must be true! :-)
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Nov 14, 2006 - 02:57pm PT
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I feel as though I'm talking to very thick dense walls at times.
Even with HS students in my physics class I don't have to hold their hands as much as I do here.
People with critical thinking skills get it. But it won't be easy. There is work to do on your part and you have to ask many, many questions. You have to pursue it. You have to look at all sides of the coin, and consider all possible scenerios and see where the evidence points to. If you don't, then you are biased, ignorant, and lazy.
You guys obviously don't look into anything except spout ridicule, resort to insults, and name call.
You have absolutely no substance. Show me facts. Prove me wrong.
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 14, 2006 - 04:06pm PT
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"You have absolutely no substance. Show me facts. Prove me wrong."
No, prove us wrong. You're the one swimming against the tide here. You're the one making extraordinary claims. As the saying goes, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Nov 14, 2006 - 04:12pm PT
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 14, 2006 - 04:14pm PT
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Yeah. There are already several long threads on this topic so the horse has been dead long before this thread was started.
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Nov 14, 2006 - 06:00pm PT
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I think we should bring this session to an end. Before you all go back to your rooms, let's give Klimmer and Blight a hug. And Klimmer and Blight, please stay behind; I'd like to talk to you about a modification in your meds.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Nov 14, 2006 - 06:19pm PT
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Klimmer:
"My hypothesis is .... Along with explosive thermate (not thermite) cutting charges to cut key beams ..."
Same problem as before. Thermate-TH3 does not explode, it burns.
"Yes, it is true that this kind of collasping has never ever happened before in the history of towering high-rise buildings due to fire or jet airplane impacts..."
How many other jet airliner impacts have there been into towering high-rise buildings? In fact, many large fires have there been ever in this kind of building? And how many of those shared the WTC's design?
Someone else posted the "experiment" using a chain link fence and propane torches to support the myth steel's durability in a fire. If you want to see what a fire can do to steel, look at the picture below.
The entire upper part of the building collapsed with the exception of the concrete core. Without the concrete core, it is believed that the building could have collapsed to the ground.
There is a report, including a lot more pictures at http://ncdr.nat.gov.tw/iwerr/doc/pdf/S12%20PDF/s12-1.pdf A much larger portion of the building collapsed then is evident in the picture.
Edit: Picture removed because it was messing up the thread format. To see it click here:
http://www.tribulaciones.org/life/madrid-windsor2.jpg
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woodcraft
Trad climber
Fairfax, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 16, 2006 - 02:50am PT
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Graniteclimber-
Good points earlier. The burned building is a good example of what you expect to see- a mess, possibly partial collapse. In the report they say it took 10- 12 months to demolish the building after the fire.
From the report you linked:
[ 5. Conclusion
The cause of collapse can be considered that it had no sprinkler system, adequate fire
protection for the steel columns and was lack of performance of fire compartment of the wall. ]
(The building was being renovated for fire protection- no covering of the steel etc..)
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Nov 16, 2006 - 02:54am PT
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double post.
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Nov 16, 2006 - 02:55am PT
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Blight
Social climber
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Nov 16, 2006 - 06:20am PT
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No, prove us wrong. You're the one swimming against the tide here. You're the one making extraordinary claims. As the saying goes, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Klimmer's posted evidence. Large amounts of it, actually.
Normally, the next step would be for you to analyse and dispute that evidence. If you can't, then you should be asking yourself why you don't accept it.
Of course, the evidence may suggest that you are wrong. If that's the case, an open minded person will change their position, and adopt the one the evidence supports. A closed-minded person cannot accept that they are wrong and either pretends the evidence doesn't exist, or resorts to personal attacks.
So where are you at in this process?
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