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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Jan 25, 2013 - 01:07pm PT
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Just gotta say... I'm TOTALLY sick of you morons SPECULATING about Lolli quitting over the boob-thread and posting it as fact. You people don't know sh#t and have ZERO clue why she left so unless you can produce an email verifying it, I'd quit perpetrating that stupid rumor...
Well-worth repeating!
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Jan 25, 2013 - 01:07pm PT
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somehow i cant post a pic of a box of kleenX for all the wankers but got to walgreens or better yet, WALMART and get yourself some if you really think this sh#t is serious.
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LuckyPink
climber
the last bivy
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Jan 25, 2013 - 01:12pm PT
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you see the women here pointing out that there is a big difference between nudity and porn, soft or harsh.
No one is unaware of the hostility and exploitation behind pornography. Some the posters here like to identify with that and make use of it to settle their own feelings of inadequacy through intimidation of others. Awareness of the hostility and exploitation of pornography is painful, so many people try to ignore, deny, or downplay it. Some of us just have more balls than others and are able to be aware and speak out. Big thanks to all who have!
When someone has taken a big sh#t in the living room it stinks and is offensive. Better to clean it up than leave it there.
PS, this whole episode is NOT about Anastasia in any way, t*r, Lolli, or any of these peripheral arguments. It is about the underlying (and overt)sexualized hostility, the exploitation of women and girls, both generally and personally here on this forum. The thread became rank in a seriously offensive way, and a legal liability. Better it's gone.
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WBraun
climber
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Jan 25, 2013 - 01:13pm PT
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Psyops and Blackops experts study stupid threads like this and see how stupid Americans can be.
This why and how the Americans have lost their rights, freedoms and gone off to stupid wars over the years,
along with believing every stupid thing they hear and see in the media these days. ......
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Captain...or Skully
climber
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Jan 25, 2013 - 01:14pm PT
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You know what's stupid, Werner? Generalizations!
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TwistedCrank
climber
Dingleberry Gulch, Ideeho
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Jan 25, 2013 - 01:39pm PT
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some serious shiz going on here
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 25, 2013 - 02:00pm PT
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Went through the Mapplethorpe show at LACMA. WHOA! They had guards at the
entrance to keep kids out unless mom wanted to show little Jimmy that fisting pics can be art.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Jan 25, 2013 - 02:09pm PT
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what is the legal age for breast feeding in california?
ot: did those guys make it to angel island?
you know, escape from alcatraz, eastwood's movie
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Jan 25, 2013 - 02:12pm PT
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you see the women here pointing out there is a big difference between nudity and porn, soft or harsh.
Well, sort of, but not really. What generally I see here are entrenched sterotypes, a radical devotion to cherished orthodoxies, an unwillingness to examine beliefs, jaw-dropping misinformation regarding simple matters of fact ("legal liability?"), and minds buttoned up tighter than space capsules.
I'll try this one more time, although actually tackling the arduous and sometimes painful chore of periodically examining and reaffirming one's belief system is far too arduous a task for most. Prove me wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-wave_feminism
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Jan 25, 2013 - 02:23pm PT
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The thing about a space capsule is no fresh air gets in or out; the same stale crap just keeps getting recycled. This thread is 278 posts and counting.
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Jan 25, 2013 - 02:24pm PT
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MORE BOOBS PLEASE. I like em. Quite nice.
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Jan 25, 2013 - 02:27pm PT
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Hey Ken, maybe you should chill out a little and have a beer.
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Anastasia
climber
InLOVEwithAris.
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Jan 25, 2013 - 02:27pm PT
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^^^ Yup... One of my original pictures... Note the clothes and the humor. No nudity was needed. Again, none of my pictures actually had nudity. As you can see, it worked so well people didn't notice I had NOT posted a nude picture. You can say a whole lot of the same without using nudity. People should work on that.
Plus...
I grew up with National Geographic. Plenty of boobs in that magazine and no one is that upset about taking advantage of the natives, human slavery, etc. "Please Note this is significant because in the regions that National Geographic is presenting, that stuff really does exist." So why no complaints there and here it's something else?
Also we have tons of medical books here. Aris is going to get an eye full. I am not going to lock up Bill's medical books just because the kid might see nudity. The context and how it is presented does make a difference. Plus, I rather he learn to see the body first through a scientific view point than being introduced to it in other ways. Then maybe he might not be so mesmerized, and over sexualized. Yes, I think suppression does make minor things more stimulating than it really is.
Plus I've been in many hot tubs with boys and girls naked and no one was offended or mouthing off rude comments. Why does it occur here? This is the interesting anthropology, social question. Seriously how can public hot tubs around Mammoth (I know many of you have been there) be so respectful and casual.. Then here it becomes something viciously wrong?
What the heck is wrong with society that feeds off of this kind of drama?
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Jan 25, 2013 - 02:32pm PT
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+1 on that.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Jan 25, 2013 - 02:39pm PT
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Anastasia made some great points and I'd like to add some thoughts of mine.
Context is a huge key to what is tasteful and enjoyable versus rude or outright disgusting.
I definately do not get the folks who find any nudity wrong. But I certainly understand the outrage when it comes to even skirting underage porn. I know folks whose lives were affected by sexual abuse when young. If you havn't seen the results you simply cannot understand how terribly destructive it is. It is one of the worst crimes I can think of.
Sadly it only takes one insensitive ignorant person to cross that line and destroy what was otherwise a harmless and in many case beautiful thread and throw turmoil into a community.
The matter of underage abuse is rightfully serious and as can be seen it will mangle a community due to it's deep destructiveness,
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John M
climber
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Jan 25, 2013 - 02:42pm PT
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Anastasia.. I was sunbathing with some lady friends at a swimming hole in Wawona. This hole is well hidden and if you don't know its there, you can walk right by it. You can't see the sunbathing spot from the trail. We were just hanging there doing our thing when around the rock comes this guy leading a church group. He has a video camera and he points the camera at us and starts shooting. I walk up to him and put my hand over the lens and tell him that if he didn't want to go for a swim with his camera, that he would have to stop taking pictures.
I think some people forget that many people in America are still offended by nudity. The respect you find around the swimming holes in California is due in part to teaching people and in part to running off the most obvious pervs.
Oh.. and in the above story, these people weren't there to swim. If they were and they didn't like the nudity, we would have put on swim suits. This guy was a preacher and he knew about the swimming hole and he was into some weird got to make the heathens feel bad kind of thing. I gave him a different message.
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Anastasia
climber
InLOVEwithAris.
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Jan 25, 2013 - 02:43pm PT
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What the hell? Like I said... What the hell were people posting while I was gone? If that was the case, then yeah... Underage is a BIG issue, it is criminal and the person posting should be ashamed and afraid. The big arm of the law does go far.
Yup, glad it was erased. Holy shamolly... I'm speechless.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 25, 2013 - 02:43pm PT
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Locker, the guy was a great photog and I don't mind looking at great pics of honed doods,
but some of that stuff could put an eye out!
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Jan 25, 2013 - 02:46pm PT
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^ I only know of one incident that involved comments about DMTs kid and that guy got some serious flak from me and many others. It's the only time I have reported and I suppose he was banned.. haven't seen him again afaik. I have no problem speaking up if I see something waay wrong.
Anastasia
Whether the pics were actually underage or not is hard to say but it looked close enough to have crossed a very bad line.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jan 25, 2013 - 02:51pm PT
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Not only are the pics of under-age kids of questionable legality, so is making accessible TO under-age kids adult materials - even if the models are of legal age.
Since no one is checking IDs at the door here, there's nothing preventing kids from accessing what's posted here.
There are people in jail right now for making racy photos available to kids.
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