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deuce4
climber
Hobart, Australia
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Mar 29, 2009 - 08:06pm PT
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That yellow sheet is a Walt Shipley original. Don't put in on ebay! Just kidding.
Walt prompted us to go with the webbing inserted into the handle a la the sketches you see here. I personally preferred the thin cord, tied in a loop and drilled right through the base of the hammer (much easier to clip). But the webbing with a sewn clip in loop is much cooler.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 29, 2009 - 08:20pm PT
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My disassembled hammer two pages back in the tread was just drilled through the
base and used cord. Are you saying you later switched to this way Walt describes on that sheet...?
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deuce4
climber
Hobart, Australia
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Mar 29, 2009 - 08:52pm PT
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yep.
About half of the first batch of 500 (orange handle hammers) were drilled and set up with cord, then the rest were threaded with webbing, starting in 1989 when Walt came to visit our shop. For reference, I sold my first hammers in 1987, I believe.
The webbing method is way time consuming to produce. Not noted on Walt's drawing is that you need to file down the threads on the screw, otherwise it can cut the webbing over time.
I recommend the simpler, drill a hole and put 5mm cord through the handle method!
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T Moses
Trad climber
Paso Robles
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Mar 29, 2009 - 09:19pm PT
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Whoa, whoa, whoa. That top print shows the biner clip in hole 90 degrees and quite a bit farther in than the hammer I have. Was it your original intent to do it as you have it drawn? What made you change your mind? Drilling the hole was harder? The biner hole had to be larger because of the larger cross section of the hammer you were drilling through?
Been really busy making cam hooks. Just about ready to do a production run of Minerals Tomahawks (fancy new style beaks).
Leeper's been a real kick to talk to. I have to budget an hour when I call him up. He had a really scientific approach to making the hooks.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 29, 2009 - 09:21pm PT
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T Moses
Trad climber
Paso Robles
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Mar 29, 2009 - 09:23pm PT
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I love the art work!!!! Way too funny!
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 29, 2009 - 09:30pm PT
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deuce4
climber
Hobart, Australia
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Mar 29, 2009 - 10:21pm PT
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Whoa, whoa, please don't embarrass me too much with those old notes!
yes, the top to bottom hole came about after the initial design. I was hoping to have the carabiner hole included in the forge process, that was not possible, so it required driling. Drilling top to bottom proved far easier, and had the same functionality.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 29, 2009 - 11:37pm PT
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Hey, don't worry, your hammer is pure genius - seeing how you arrived at it is part of the fun - I'd personally hate to think that it all just came to you in a single sitting.
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deuce4
climber
Hobart, Australia
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Mar 30, 2009 - 02:37am PT
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Well, thanks Joe. (but I was referring to that silly sketch on the blueprint, some dumb ad idea--marketing was never my strong point).
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 30, 2009 - 06:11am PT
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Love your note pad paper...
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 30, 2009 - 07:44am PT
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And what's not to love about the sticker from the back of the Ajax Forging file folder...
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 30, 2009 - 02:50pm PT
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Finshed Scanning - 158 Documents / 248mb
Theron, I'll be getting all these documents and the handles off to you in the a.m. The documents in the folders are now all in chronological order and you'll probably want to keep them that way to follow along with the process / saga...
DVDs will go out to John, Theron, Stephane, Marty, and Ken as well.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Mar 30, 2009 - 06:57pm PT
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So, like is this actually going to HAPPEN soon then?
I'll still take my original order of two, cause I ahve to hammerin fools for partners that I could give em to. One actually needs a ahmmer cause his own old beloved got mis-borrowed by a friend of ours whose aah, shall we say, illegal substance control challenged wife had the boy thrown in jail for an undetermined period, and the hammer is at her mercy, which is non-exixtent when she gets on a binge, and now I've said too much but it would be REALLY good for him and the poor kid if they got away from that gal when the dust settles.
Anyway, the big questions:
WHEN will you be able to send any?
HOW MUCH will they cost?
Can I have two right away, cause after all, I may be about to hit a good spell if this procedure to internalize my drain works, and I will want to bang one last something before handing off the hammers to Steg and Noffsinger-- two more dedicated nailers (although the ARE free climbers, I'll admit it) dedicated to hand drilling for bolts and using good pins that is, with the idea that only the needed bolts should be placed.
Good luck with the final stages of the project, it was a noble thing to tackle, glad you did it, and please get it done before I die and never get to hold one.
thanks,
Curt
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 31, 2009 - 02:17am PT
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Final directory structure for the DVD...
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 31, 2009 - 03:03am PT
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Well Dirt, we're getting back on it. The process is requote the heads, get a final price on the handles, and then Theron and I will have to sort out the costs on drilling, finishing, and heat treating the head. Once that's done we'll have some idea of the cost. Then all we have to do is find the front money for said handles and heads to get going. After that we just annoy the sh#t out of John for the duration of the project.
Wish I could tell exactly when, but we are about to start launching on it all. Not much I can I say at this point but reiterate what everyone's been telling you - hang in there dude!
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Moof
Big Wall climber
A cube at my soul sucking job in Oregon
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Mar 31, 2009 - 10:04am PT
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Joseph,
When you think you're getting close I'd be happy to pay for mine up front, sort of like the B.A.T. shirts.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 1, 2009 - 02:45am PT
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I boxed up the handles and A5 Hammer documentation (see the link above for online scans) from Conrad and Pamela to send to Theron, but couldn't find his address. The box was all taped up and ready to go so I call him up for his address and while I'm talking to him I realize I have in my hand one of the handles with my disassembled A5 head slid on it. Oops, it's supposed to be in the box so Theron has a reference unit - can't imagine how I failed to get a random handle and all my disassembled parts in the box.
Letting go is never easy...
Four handles are also on their way to Lewis McNeal at Seymour Handle (TN) who bought the O.P. Link Handle company (IN) five years ago. That should give them a good sense of the handle-to-handle variation and we can get that show on the road as well.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 12, 2009 - 04:11am PT
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Theron, did you get that stuff yet...?
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