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monolith
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Berkeley, CA
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Oct 15, 2010 - 04:42pm PT
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Stop your gameplaying Klimmer, get on with it.
Stereograms have nothing to do with whether Cintune's pic has a missing natural feature in it or not.
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Hawkeye
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State of Mine
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Oct 15, 2010 - 04:43pm PT
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a boulder on hte moon? are their pad people too?
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati
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Oct 15, 2010 - 04:50pm PT
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a boulder on hte moon? are their pad people too?
Of course!
Astronaut Harrison Schmitt preparing to send!
Explanation: Twenty five years ago humans roamed the Moon. Pictured here during the last moon landing, scientist-astronaut Harrison Schmitt was photographed standing next to a huge, split boulder. Apollo 17 was one of six missions that landed humans on the moon and returned them safely. Apollo 17 explored the unusually dark terrain at the Taurus-Littrow landing site, deployed explosives to test the internal geology of the Moon, and returned the most rocks of any lunar mission.
http://www.astronet.ru/db/xware/msg/1163771
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Oct 15, 2010 - 04:51pm PT
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Looks like this thread is “going postal” / correct word for it is “deindividuation”.
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atchafalaya
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Babylon
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Oct 15, 2010 - 04:51pm PT
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Klimmer's hypothesis is absolutely nuts. And I mean that respectfully...
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati
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Oct 15, 2010 - 04:53pm PT
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Klimmer's hypothesis is absolutely nuts.
Now you've done it and will be asked to leave.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati
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Oct 15, 2010 - 04:55pm PT
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Deindividuation, as described by Leon Festinger and colleagues in 1952, is the situation where anti-normative behavior is released in groups in which individuals are not seen or paid attention to as individuals. Simply put, deindividuation is immersion in a group to the point at which the individual ceases to be seen as such.
Perspectives
There are three widely-held perspectives as to how deindividuation affects the group dynamic:
1. Deindividuation weakens people against performing harmful or socially disapproved actions. Essentially, when a person is in the group and deindividuation occurs, the person is no longer acting as the individual. Therefore, what would normally inhibit the actions of a single person acting in a social setting and conforming to social norms is removed. The result is uninhibited behavior which may be harmful or socially disapproved actions (e.g.: looting, vandalism, gang assaults, etc.)
2. Deindividuation heightens peoples’ responsiveness to external cues, which may be either positive or negative. This responsiveness refers to the situation. In the case of looting, you may see others stealing desirable items and not receiving any punishment or negative outcomes. This may make you more compelled to join the group and engage in the behavior because you see others getting away with it and you believe you won’t be singled out just like they haven’t. This type of responsiveness may also be positive. For instance, you may walk into a party and see that others are sitting around, watching television, and having a drink. You will probably feel compelled to follow the group by taking a seat in front of the TV and grabbing a drink yourself. This makes you feel more at ease because you stand out less from the group.[original research?]
3. Deindividuation increases people’s adherence to norms that emerge with the group. When deindividuation occurs, new norms are set as the standard for the group. This standard pushes people to conform to the social influence of the group instead of thinking individually about how to comply with social norms. This can be exemplified in gang activities such as vandalism. Even though it is against a societal norm (and the law, for that matter) to spray paint walls with offensive terms and symbols, the norm set for the group is that it is a typical and endorsed behavior which switches from “damaging property” to “creating artwork and marking the gang’s territory.” This emergence of new group norms often leads to group think, a phenomenon characterized by faulty decision-making in a group.
This is on wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deindividuation
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Hawkeye
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State of Mine
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Oct 15, 2010 - 04:56pm PT
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atcha,
you start discrediting the guy for free and i will be out of work! unless you are on the payroll and a member of the union dude, you can get into serious trouble.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati
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Oct 15, 2010 - 04:59pm PT
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To fill you in, atcha, if you spend any time here ridiculing or otherwise dissenting to that, you will be accused of being a paid government disinformation agent.
That's how I got my avatar. Apparently, I am an Illuminati mole.
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Hawkeye
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State of Mine
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Oct 15, 2010 - 05:14pm PT
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Tony Bird
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Northridge, CA
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Oct 15, 2010 - 05:18pm PT
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i lived in new mexico when schmidt was being dumped from his one-term senatorship. the campaign slogan of his opponent:
what on earth has he done?
he also represents the best argument that we never went to the moon.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Oct 15, 2010 - 05:22pm PT
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Hey GC; when I put in for my free one question to physic web site that was what it also said “paid government disinformation agent”. Went the next step and asked the second question in regards on what that meant and it came up Fattrad/Karl Rowe and company.
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Wonder
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WA
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Oct 15, 2010 - 05:27pm PT
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati
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Oct 15, 2010 - 05:30pm PT
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Paid Disinformation Agent (or DISINFO agent) is stock phrase in crazyland.
The Woo-Woo Dictionary is great. http://www.insolitology.com/tests/dictionary.htm
Censorship – The act of refuting, disputing, correcting or heckling the stories posted by believers in alien visitation. Such activities can often make it embarrassing for believers to post their stories, and therefore they constitute censorship. Any response to a post other than unquestioning acceptance constitutes an attempt at censorship. The usual perpetrators of censorship are Pseudo Skeptics and Debunkers.
Closed Minded - Someone who displays an irrational tendency to need Hard Evidence before believing a claim may be true, and/or someone who feels a need to suggest mundane explanations for UFOs, crop circles, animal mutilations, etc., when these are all clearly caused by aliens.
Copyright Infringement – A serious crime usually perpetrated by Debunkers and Pseudo Skeptics when they create parodies of material posted by believers, even if none of the original text or images is used. Copyright Infringement is also an attack phrase used by Debunkers to defame believers who post cut & pasted material and photos from books, TV shows or web sites into their Usenet posts or their own web sites. Clearly this is not copyright infringement, but free advertising, and the original authors and publishers should be grateful for it.
Crop Circles - Important messages left for us by extraterrestrials if only we could understand what they mean.
Debunker - An evil and mean spirited person bent on censoring all discussion that touches on is sues The Massive Government Disinformation Campaign wants to keep under wraps. See Paid Disinformation Agent.
Defamation – Saying anything about a woo-woo that he doesn’t like, even if it is true. This includes, but is not limited to exposing his lies, criticizing his lack of logical thinking ability, pointing out his poor writing skills, pulling up his past posts from the Google Archive to show his inconsistencies, or simply laughing at him. Most woo-woos are convinced these acts are crimes under US law, and they will often issue threats of legal action in response. Unfortunately, US law lags a little behind the woo-woo definition of defamation.
Establishment Science - The pseudo religious, rigid and inflexible, dogma driven thinking of most "mainstream" scientists who scoff at the obvious reality of alien visitation and irrationally claim that over unity machines, faster than light travel, etc., are impossible. Establishment Scientists Make irrational demands for Hard Evidence and refuse to investigate claims for which no such evidence exists.
Free Thinker - Someone who not only Thinks Outside the Box, but also freely incorporates science fiction, religious belief, dreams and even drug induced hallucinations into their wild speculations about UFOs and other unusual phenomena, and gives these sources weight equal to, or more likely greater than, the explanations offered by Establishment Science.
Hard Evidence – The mythical, unobtainable, nonexistent material that will satisfy the unreasonable demands of Pseudo Skeptics and Debunkers for whom proof just isn’t good enough.
Libel – See Defamation.
Logic - A derogatory term. A favorite weapon of Paid Disinformation Agents, logic is used to over-analyze UFO reports, eyewitness accounts and investigative efforts. Be careful!! Debunker logic can lead to contradictions and mundane explanations, so keep an Open Mind when this weapon is used.
The Mainstream Media - All the TV, radio, newspaper, magazine and book publishing companies which ignore the reality of alien visitation and only produce propaganda in line with Establishment Science and the The Massive Government Disinformation Campaign. Only a few TV shows and print publications manage to publish the "Truth" in defiance of theThe Massive Government Disinformation Campaign. They can be found on the FOX network and in in the checkout isles of grocery stores.
The Massive Government Disinformation Campaign - A combined NWO / CIA / NSA / AFOSI / FBI / FAA / NASA / MIB effort to cover up the reality of the alien presence through the intimidation and discrediting of witnesses, recovery and suppression of physical evidence, and spreading of disinformation. Every nation seems to have it's own version of the Massive Government Disinformation Campaign. They are all coordinated through the New World Order shadow government. And they all work with perfect efficiency.
NASA - An organization under the direct jurisdiction of the New World Order and the Global Conspiracy. Well known for Massive Frauds such as the alleged Moon Landings, cooperating with Alien representatives to cover up the real purposes of the Space Station, sabotaging their own spacecraft bound for mars, and falsifying all recent images of the Cydonia Face taken after the original discovery photo "leaked" out.
Occam's Razor – The principal that the simplest explanation (that still conforms to all your preconceived notions and prejudices) is probably the correct explanation for a given phenomenon. Therefore Occam's Razor supports the claim that UFOs are really alien spacecraft, and not just misidentified mundane objects.
Open Minded - Someone who is not afraid to embrace new or controversial ideas unquestioningly and enthusiastically, even if they are self-contradictory or founded on nothing more than the ravings of a lunatic.
Paid Disinformation Agent - All Debunkers and most Pseudo Skeptics frequenting Usenet. These are obviously people employed by evil government three-letter agencies to disrupt the free flow of information about, and censor the truth of, alien visitation.
Paranoia - An attack phrase used by debunkers on anyone who simply expresses a natural concern and caution about the numerous ongoing government plots, conspiracies and cover-ups that are blatantly obvious to free thinkers and the open-minded.
Peer Review - An exclusionary tactic used by Establishment Science to ensure that important new theories and information not in line with their official dogma are suppressed and/or ridiculed. Also used as an attack phrase by Debunkers.
Proof - Any and all stories, rumors, lies, hoaxes, fantasies, science fiction or religious faith that tends to support any claim you make.
Pseudo-Skeptic - Someone who irrationally demands Hard Evidence before accepting that a claim may be valid.
Research - The act of renewing one's faith in alien visitation by watching UFO "documentaries" on TV, surfing UFO web sites, and reading the Weekly World News. "Field Research" may involve attending UFO conventions and vacationing in Roswell, NM.
The Scientific Method - See Peer Review
Slander – See Defamation.
Sheeple - A term used to describe the vast majority of the people in the world who are dull-witted enough to buy into Establishment Science and believe the propaganda pumped out by the Mainstream Media. They are victims of the The Massive Government Disinformation Campaign.
Thinking Outside the Box - Not allowing the irrational limitations of Establishment Science, such as the speed of light and the laws of thermodynamics, or any other facts that may conflict with one's unsupported preconceived notions, to hinder one's wild speculation about the nature of UFOs and other unusual phenomena. In reality this sort of thinking only leads to a comforting predefined answer, and not the unvarnished truth.
True Science - Unlike Establishment Science, True Science is willing to investigate UFO and other extraordinary claims Open Mindedly and without unreasonable demands for Hard Evidence. For some reason, most True Scientists seem to be either self educated, or educated in fields completely unrelated to their work on UFOs.
True Skeptic - Someone who refuses to form any hard conclusions one way or another and always stays Open Minded to all extraordinary claims without demanding any of that pesky Hard Evidence stuff.
Twitch - An infamous Debunker. The arch-enemy of all Free Thinking UFO proponents and researchers. Notorious for his extensive use of Logic and Peer Reviewed material. A CIA/NSA/FBI/NASA/MI6 Paid Disinformation Agent, he is still reviled and feared, although he has not posted regularly to the Usenet since April, 2000.
UFO - All UFOs are alien spacecraft piloted by extraterrestrial aliens looking for butts to probe and cows to mutilate. Most UFOs seem to be ineptly piloted, extremely unreliable and very crash-prone.
Unambiguous Evidence – See Hard Evidence.
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Hawkeye
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State of Mine
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Oct 15, 2010 - 05:32pm PT
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UFO - All UFOs are alien spacecraft piloted by extraterrestrial aliens looking for butts to probe and cows to mutilate. Most UFOs seem to be ineptly piloted, extremely unreliable and very crash-prone.
rj, sounds like those ET's might be able to put a smile on your face!
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Oct 15, 2010 - 05:38pm PT
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Could Jesus, really be the test tube baby of aliens?
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Wonder
climber
WA
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Oct 15, 2010 - 05:39pm PT
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Oct 14, 2010 - 03:16pm PT
August 16th, 2010
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Government Uses Social Networking Sites for More than Investigations
Deeplink by Jennifer Lynch
This is part two of a two part series. Read part one.
In the midst of recent controversies over Facebook’s privacy settings, it’s easy to forget how much personal information is available from other sources on the Internet. But the government remembers. EFF recently received a number of documents from the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) highlighting the government’s ability to scour not only social networks, but record each and every corner of the Internet. These documents were released in the second of a series of government disclosures resulting from EFF’s Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit in which EFF, with the help of UC Berkeley’s Samuelson Clinic, sought information on the procedures and guidelines employed by government agencies when conducting social network monitoring or investigations.
As an example of the government’s substantial information collection capability, several documents [PDF] in the CIA’s disclosure discuss the CIA’s so-called Open Source Center, established in 2005, which has been collecting information from publicly accessible Internet sources such as blogs, chat rooms and social networking sites, in addition to monitoring radio and television programs. The Open Source Center’s website, opensource.gov, bills itself as the “US Government's premier provider of foreign open source intelligence.” It is accessible to almost 15,000 local, state, and federal government employees and offers products ranging from reports and analysis on publicly available information dating back to the mid-90s, video reports and internet clips, translations, and media mapping and hot spot analysis.
In the other document [PDF] included in this release, FBI emails reveal the FBI’s interest in the University of Arizona’s Dark Web Project, an attempt by computer scientists to “systematically collect and analyze all terrorist-generated content on the Web.” Information in the document describes the Dark Web Project as especially effective in employing spiders to search Internet forums and find hidden web sites in the “corners of the Internet.” In addition to being able to search the Internet for content, the Dark Web Project is developing a tool called Writeprint that claims to help identify the creators of anonymous online content. The FBI emails reveal an interest in applying the Dark Web Project’s tools to the FBI’s own “operational analysis and exploitation of data, including web forums.”
As EFF and the Samuelson Clinic continue to seek information about law enforcement investigation techniques used on the Internet, we hope to learn more about how the government uses this information and especially how long it plans to keep it. In the meantime, however, it is clear that government investigators are collecting a wealth of information though the Internet in general and outside of the law enforcement context. It is also a good reminder that while social networks and other websites have privacy settings, the Internet does not. Stay tuned here for the next release.
This is part two of a two part series. Read part one.
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/08/government-monitors-much-more-social-networks
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Wonder
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WA
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Oct 15, 2010 - 05:42pm PT
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cintune
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the Moon and Antarctica
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Oct 15, 2010 - 05:45pm PT
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Yeah, Klimmer, what's up with all the silly guessing games? Just show the pics and point out this discrepancy you claim exists. That'd be more than enough of an ah-ha moment for me, anyway. And then explain why someone who wanted to remove the spaceship and replace it with boring old lunar terrain would also need to mess with anything else in the picture. Seems like turning the spaceship into a little terrace would have been sufficient.
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