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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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populist like Trump
Populism, as a political unity movement, is intended to progress a broad swath of voters who have been socially and economically repressed- without regard to race (see Bernie's message).
Trump, fake news and the right wing media have separated the dirty laundry- whites go here, colors over there please.
On the economy: Trump's going to grow the economy to a rate of 5% to cover his huge spending proposals and tax cuts for the rich? Are you fuking kidding me! Statistics provide quite enough evidence that supply-side economics does not work.
Foreign policy: I guess I'll have to take him at his word- "You'll be tired of wining, believe me".
Jezebean and, or Mad Bolter- please explain the specific Trump policies that are going to make America great again.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Der Gropenfuhrer
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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He is a populist in disguise.
He fooled a lot of people that could be.
MB has a point of the hypocrisy,
He is going to blow,you know.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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How are the posts depicting Trump as a Nazi or nude photos of our future First Lady less deplorable?
While I do not like people attacking the family of a politician, I find it pretty frightening that one would consider posting ACTUAL photographs of a family member to be the "no less than" posting photo-doctored images of a family member where their face is an animal with an inference that the person is sub-human.
Now, post the image of Melania in the nude and photoshop a stallion, or well, okay - a donkey, to provide room for double entendre, and it's getting close. I suppose putting out rumors that she is into beastiality could have some nutter animal-rights advocates hating, butthat number would be pretty slim in comparison to the numbers of nutter white-righs advocates who rail hate because of a person's skin color.
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Trump is Putin's puppet and here's why...
1) Trump owes Blackstone/ Bayrock group $560 million dollars (one of his largest debtors and the primary reason he won't reveal his tax returns)
2) Blackstone is owned wholly by Russian billionaires, who owe their position to Putin and have made billions from their work with the Russian government.
3) Other companies that have borrowed from Blackstone have claimed that owing money to them is like owing to the Russian mob and while you owe them, they own you for many favors.
4) The Russian economy is badly faltering under the weight of its over-dependence on raw materials which as you know have plummeted in the last 2 years leaving the Russian economy scrambling to pay its debts.
5) Russia has an impetus to influence our election to ensure the per barrel oil prices are above $65 ( they are currently hovering around $50)
6) Russia can't affordably get at 80% of its oil reserves and reduce its per barrel cost to compete with America at $45 or Saudi Arabia at $39. With Iranian sanctions being lifted Russia will find another inexpensive competitor increasing production and pushing Russia further down the list of suppliers.
As for Iranian sanctions, the 6 countries lifting them allowing Iran to collect on the billions it is owed for pumping oil but not being paid for it. These billions Iran can only get if the Iranian nuclear deal is signed. Trump spoke of ending the deals which would cause oil sales sanctions to be reimposed, which would make Russian oil more competitive.
7) Rex Tillerson (Trump's pick for Secretary of State) is the head of ExxonMobil, which is in possession of patented technology that could help Putin extract 45% more oil at a significant cost savings to Russia, helping Putin put money in the Russian coffers to help reconstitute its military and finally afford to mass produce the new and improved systems that it had invented before the Russian economy had slowed so much.
8) Putin cannot get access to these new cost saving technologies OR outside oil field development money, due to US sanctions on Russia, because of its involvement in Ukrainian civil war.
9) Look for Trump to end sanctions on Russia and to back out of the Iranian nuclear deal, to help Russia rebuild its economy, strengthen Putin and make Tillerson and Trump even richer, thus allowing Trump to satisfy his creditors at Blackstone.
10) With Trump's fabricated hatred of NATO and the U.N., the Russian military reconstituted, the threat to the Baltic states is real. Russia retaking their access to the Baltic Sea from Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia and threatening the shipping of millions of cubic feet of natural gas to lower Europe from Scandinavia, allowing Russia to make a good case for its oil and gas being piped into eastern Europe.
Sources: Time Magazine, NY Times, The Atlantic, The Guardian UK.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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RollingStone has some issues????
That's your response to vote purging??
Pretty weak..
I'm quite familiar with "Crosscheck," and with the left's assertion that it exists to purge voters of color. The fact that nowhere but left-wing media and Rolling Stone treat that as true should give you pause.
I assume you're familiar with the false University of Virginia rape story RS published. That story and its aftermath exposed an appalling lack of care about accuracy. The New Yorker, not exactly a right-wing mouthpiece, had a pretty good summary of the shortcomings in the truth-acknowledgment department:
http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/rolling-stone-and-the-temptations-of-narrative-journalism
So you can go ahead and believe that Clinton really won the Rust Belt, and the votes weren't real, although I doubt that you really believe that. In any case, if the Democrats want to believe that the only reason they lost had nothing to do with deficiencies in the policies, that's fine with me. I'll follow Napoleon's advice about not telling your opponent they're wrong.
John
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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7) Rex Tillerson (Trump's pick for Secretary of State) is the head of ExxonMobil, which is in possession of patented technology that could help Putin extract 45% more oil at a significant cost savings to Russia, helping Putin put money in the Russian coffers to help reconstitute its military and finally afford to mass produce the new and improved systems that it had invented before the Russian economy had slowed so much.
Patent attorney here (although I no longer maintain a professional practice in that field).
Patents are public documents. (That is, to a large extent, the point of the patent system.)
What patents are we talking about? And whatever the answer is, how does Exxon's ownership of any patents give Exxon leverage over Putin or Putin leverage over Trump?
The only way to enforce patents in Russia is to own Russian patents (what are they?) and sue an alleged infringer in a Russian court.
I'm just not getting any connection between whatever patents Exxon owns and whatever other point your trying to make.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Jezebean and, or Mad Bolter- please explain the specific Trump policies that are going to make America great again.
You're asking the wrong person, because I don't believe that Trump is "the man." I think he's flat-out hideous and a buffoon. I thought Clinton was worse.
The irony of the left, however, is that if participants here are any indication, they are in some serious denial about what a turd Clinton was. This "our candidate would have been SO much better" crap is just that.
BOTH parties handed us turds. The primary difference between the Republicans and the Democrats, however, is that the Democrats spared no expense to polish and polish their turd, while the Republicans spent most of the election cycle decrying Trump AS the turd that he is.
In this mere fact, the Republicans appear more honest. Trump emerged in spite of their best efforts. (Spin that fact however you wish.)
By contrast, Hillary got beat down in spite of the DNC's best efforts (and by "best" I mean, "ANYTHING goes") to cast HER as the savior of America.
The mainstream establishment did NOT want Trump. The mainstream establishment DID want Clinton.
Now many of you are moaning and wringing your hands in EXACTLY the fashion you warned Republicans NOT to in the face of a result you didn't prefer.
Well, one side or the other was going to get a result it didn't prefer. Rather than to be big cry-babies, frothing at the mouth about it, why not just settle down and ratchet back the rhetoric about a million notches?
Your polished turd didn't make the cut. Now you live with it, and we ALL hope that Trump doesn't turn out to be all that some fear. We would have hoped exactly the same thing with Clinton, had she been elected.
If perpetually magnifying Trump's "dangers" makes you feel morally superior, hey, more power to you. Just know that in so doing you are merely deepening the divide that the REAL powers-that-be want deepened. NEITHER party served America in this cycle (they haven't for a long time). By thinking that YOUR party was somehow superior, you merely reveal that your thinking is not.
People that don't agree with you are not stupid. They are not idiots. They are not bigots, racists, misogynists, xenophobes, or any of your other typically vile names.
WE are decent Americans, even among we that are disagreeing among ourselves here!
These parties are not; they do not serve US. Neither Trump nor Clinton was going to serve us. Regardless of party, the Congress isn't going to serve us. And until a critical mass of US unite on these most fundamental points, game theory ENSURES that we will just descend deeper and deeper into the morass, until blood will just have to be shed.
Your present rhetoric pushes that day ever closer.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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I was testing you, no mad meltdowns for quite some time. Hats off!
BTW- I voiced plenty of disdain for Clinton here, but as I said, it boils down to policy and Trump's policies are either unstated or plain BAD.
You compare Clinton's and Trump's foreign entanglements as equal- That's beyond ridiculous considering the non-existent tax return.
I don't mind debating in a cordial manner but please refrain from presenting your self as some kind of neutral arbiter of the facts.
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WBraun
climber
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due to US sanctions on Russia, because of its involvement in Ukrainian civil war.
Russia didn't start this but the criminals Victoria Nudelman and John McCain did.
You really need to wake up from the main stream American news media lying brainwashing .....
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Most sources say that Trump has borrowed millions from Russian Banks
Which is a "Conflict of Interest" about a millions times more than what Hillary has been found guilty of.
prove he isn't in debt to Russia.
when you call them both polished turds, you have lost all perspective, and obviously a victim of right wing propaganda
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Welcome back Dr. Derf. I've missed your brand of left wing hysteria.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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It's people like sketch (edwardt) and escopoopia that I don't enjoy posting here anymore
not a post can go by w/o some lame snide comment
Dr. Derf
thanks a lot a-hole
or not
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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How about no replacement Crank. Let the private sector decide the course on its way back to equillibrium. Freeloaders be damned.
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7SacredPools
Trad climber
Ontario, Canada
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How about no replacement Crank. Let the private sector decide the course on its way back to equillibrium. Freeloaders be damned.
You must be quite wealthy.
Among other things.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Freeloaders like single moms who's husband's were alcoholics and left them hi and dry.
Ironically, I've heard some of these exact men, after they get sober and find god, say something like this-
How about no replacement Crank. Let the private sector decide the course on its way back to equillibrium. Freeloaders be damned.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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There are millions of hard working and responsible middle americans going broke over the high costs of this Unaffordable Care Act. It is better and less expensive that a relative few be directly covered by state administered medicare than the whole health system collapse as Obamacare intended in its thousands of unread pages.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Sumner....The private sector....You mean like the Banks and Wall Street that brought the world economy to it's knees and then had the US taxpers bail them out...? Nice troll...
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