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Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Dec 28, 2016 - 11:53am PT

Free trade agreements have enjoyed bipartisan support. Sorry, the democrat party is not going to get to take the high holy ground on this one. President Clinton largely opened the door to this kind of 'trade.' (as in trading jobs for cheaply made imported goods)

Free trade is NOT bad. If one takes the position (as did Detroit), that if you can play Americans for suckers, buying inferior products because they are made in America, it is the best of all worlds.

However, it is in our interests that other countries be stable, that they accumulate wealth for their middle classes, and that they eliminate abject poverty. A lot of that has happened. If people can live stable middle class lives, they have no reason to immigrate. There is no rush of people to leave China, Mexico, Canada, even Russia. China and Russian stability is the most important of all, as they are existential threats, no one else is.

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Dec 28, 2016 - 11:54am PT

Locker, ya got me. If I had to write all this out, it would incomprehensible.

healyje

Trad climber

Portland, Oregon

Dec 28, 2016 - 12:06pm PT

Yeah, if we could just get the Israelis to agree to exterminate themselves

Yeah, right: peace = extermination. Got it. What it peace really means to bibi is you couldn't basically slowly subsume all of Israel and essentially expatriate / exterminate all the remaining Palestinians. The ignorance is palpable and yet another rube being played by the Israelis.

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Dec 28, 2016 - 01:04pm PT

healyje

Trad climber

Portland, Oregon

Dec 28, 2016 - 03:48pm PT

Ditto DMT...

Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber

Dec 28, 2016 - 03:50pm PT

The promise of cheap labor and no regulation...

One of the big benefits of taking the dirty business off-shore has been that we have lessened the exposure to many toxic pollutants. People don't want that shite in their backyards. Fine for it to be in their neighbor's back yard, of course.... just so long as the air and water stays uncontaminated by them.

Manufacturing, on the scale when the US employed a really good percentage of the white males, would be extremely tough to do here again, even IF you can fool the workers into thinking they'll be able to support families on $15-$18/hr jobs that would be coming out of the deal. I think it is pie in the sky thinking. And as you rightly point out, robotics will be managing much of the work. So we bring back pollution and produce a non-globally competitive priced product, while all those "left-behinders" wonder why they STILL ain't got those factory jobs. It's also worth noting that many of us grew up with father's exhausted and angry from the hour after hour, day after day, year after year monotony of the factory line. Oh, and this time there no carrot(pension) dangling in front to keep them focused on the endgame.

Edit: I drove past a Tyson chicken plant the other day, just outside of Idabel, Oklahoma. It seemed to me that was the primary supplier of work in the area. I don't know how much the jos pay, but they have some psotings for Supervisors at http://www.jobs.net/jobs/tysonfoods/en-us/search/united-states/location/idabel-ok/?keyword=&location=

Interestingly in the description, it says the person is supervising others doing pretty much exactly the same job. They make more because they've got to crack the whip and keep the productivity records and pass those along up the chain. But - for every supervisor, there are many more supervisees. There's your jobs, "left-behinds." Manufacturing (of chicken cutlets, chicken strips, chicken tenders, and so on). There are several THOUSANDS of those supervisee jobs available, to anyone willing to do the work. Why do we tend to completely FORGET about the slaughterhouse horror jobs which are, as of now, still alive and well in the good ole USofA?

couchmaster

climber

Dec 28, 2016 - 04:19pm PT

New mascot in Ghina. It's said to be a Yuge hit. LOL

Quote from article: "A giant rooster figure, sporting a Donald Trump hairstyle, has popped up outside a shopping mall in downtown Taiyuan, north China's Shanxi Province."

..."Wei Qing, whose Shenghe Yangtai Business is selling replica roosters, told CNN he thought sculpture was hilarious.
"I think the rooster is very cute and funny, the hairstyle and eyebrows look very much like Donald Trump. I'm sure it will attract a lot of customers," he said. At least four stores are selling the Trump rooster, with prices starting from $57 to a whopping $1,739 for a statue that's 32 feet tall.

I suspect a yuge tariff on them soon:-) Whole story here--> http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/28/asia/donald-trump-rooster/

dirtbag

climber

Dec 28, 2016 - 04:39pm PT

rbord

Boulder climber

atlanta

Dec 28, 2016 - 05:44pm PT

Pick and choose and then blah blah blah ...

Departure from decades of bi-partisan policy of holding hearings on Supreme Court picks - good!
Departure from decades of bi-partisan policy of even considering any policy the president proposes - good!
Departure from decades of bi-partisan policy towards Taiwan - good!
Departure from decades of bi-partisan policy of the president being the one to serve as the president until the end of their term - good!
Departure from decades of bi-partisan policy towards Israel - bad!

Departure from decades of bi-partisan ... There is no more bi-partisan, other than trying to apply "bi-partisan" in a partisan way.

WBraun

climber

Dec 28, 2016 - 05:45pm PT

Excessive focus on Trump by people here shows how clueless they are on who really causes all the problems in America.

Escopeta

Trad climber

Idaho

Dec 28, 2016 - 06:25pm PT

Fight the Tweets!

rottingjohnny

Sport climber

Sands Motel , Las Vegas

Dec 28, 2016 - 07:16pm PT

TGT2... It sounds like you've latched onto the fantasy of Trump fixing Obama's 8 years in the White House and making America great again....Close your eyes , open your mouth and get ready for the big one...

wilbeer

Mountain climber

Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,

Dec 28, 2016 - 07:24pm PT

Oh he is ready.

dirtbag

climber

Dec 28, 2016 - 09:28pm PT

Trump on Russian hacking:

“I think we ought to get on with our lives,” Trump said. “I think that computers have complicated lives very greatly. The whole age of the computer has made it where nobody knows exactly what’s going on. We have speed, we have a lot of other things, but I'm not sure we have the kind of security we need.”

Funny, I always thought the president was supposed to protect the country from foreign attacks, not cozy up to the attackers.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/12/28/trump-on-alleged-election-interference-by-russia-get-on-with-our-lives/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_pp-trumprussia-1010pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.da59ed68cf2e

Escopeta

Trad climber

Idaho

Dec 29, 2016 - 05:10am PT

Funny, I always thought the president was supposed to protect the country from foreign attacks, not cozy up to the attackers.

Is Donald Trump president?

c wilmot

climber

Dec 29, 2016 - 06:17am PT

The key word is "alleged" dirtbag. It's disturbing our pres is threatening a world power over allegations he has yet to prove with verifiable facts. Trust the CIA? Memba WMD's??? Guess not

How quickly we repeat history when we forget ... history

dirtbag

climber

Dec 29, 2016 - 06:30am PT

You don't find it disturbing that trump isn't even mildly curious about it?

To completely blow it off from the get go is pretty alarming, especially combined with his repeated excusing/apologizing for Russian abuses, and encouragement of Russian hacking.

c wilmot

climber

Dec 29, 2016 - 06:33am PT

I find it disturbing our country is eating more cia lies because you were told to. No verifiable proof No dice.
Russia hacked us?
Prove it
Fool me once...