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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Jan 29, 2016 - 07:44pm PT
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That's utterly ridiculous/hilarious!
(EDIT: your second part, not the first. Re: the first: Of course it's justifed.)
No wonder there's so much crazy in the world!!!1
btw, I'm still waiting on Hocking's (worthy) argument.
If it's coming?
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Jan 29, 2016 - 07:46pm PT
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In what sense, dude?
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Curious, did Finicum have a criminal record of any kind before this year?
If so, what were his crimes, I wonder. Anyone know.
I mean, if were going to demonize him thoroughly,
we ought to know all the facts.
As far as his picture goes, I think he's a fairly handsome sort.
Real Marboro looking. Probably of the cut that pulled more than their weight to shape the West 100 years ago. No?
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Jan 29, 2016 - 07:51pm PT
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Jim, I think HFFCS is occupying this thread similar to the Bundy et al occupation of the MNWR. Same mentality. Who is LaVoy in this thread?
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kattz
climber
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Jan 29, 2016 - 07:56pm PT
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Whatever criminal record Finicum had (probably none), sure can't beat 15 prior felony arrests ascribed to Cooper :/
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kattz
climber
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Jan 29, 2016 - 07:57pm PT
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Don't see them taking the kid gloves off... the refuge is still occupied. If I occupied something I'd be arrested/tasered/shot on the spot, pretty sure. Bundy's gonna ride out his privilege this time too.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Jan 29, 2016 - 07:57pm PT
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Here, got one for you JB.
Listen to this podcast of a couple weeks ago. It speaks to different perspectives and the value of de-escalation - both in the anti-fed case and in poltics (e.g., international politics).
Dan Carlin - Common Sense
Common Sense 300
http://www.dancarlin.com/common-sense-home-landing-page/
Can you stand more than one perspective on an issue?
Starts around 57 minutes or so.
re: the positive value of restraint
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aspendougy
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Jan 29, 2016 - 08:34pm PT
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After seeing the FBI footage of the incident where the rancher was killed, I find it a bit troubling. I was not there, but from what I could see you have a older man without a criminal record floundering the snow, going into a bit of panic, afraid of being shot. He is surrounded by FBI personnel who most likely had both protective gear, and higher caliber guns.
In fairness to the FBI, I have also heard that he was wearing a pistol, and that his hands went in the direction of his pockets, and so they fired. Very sad, my condolences to his wife, children, and grand children.
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kattz
climber
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Jan 29, 2016 - 08:51pm PT
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I see they'd evolved from trailer park kitsch to Black Square...not bad. "Malevich of American cinema"...misunderstood alternative souls.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Jan 29, 2016 - 09:17pm PT
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So.... they're all surrounded and stuff in the middle of absolutely nowhere but yet still updating Facebook and "streaming video".
The guy that can't stop talking, yammering on nonstop about going out with a bang. I'll put $$$ on him being a Fed.
Joining local 'militias' is always the best way to meet local and federal agents. Always has been.
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MisterE
Gym climber
Small Town with a Big Back Yard
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Jan 29, 2016 - 09:20pm PT
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At a quick glance to this thread (which is all I will allow myself), Jim Brennan lost me at "of coarse"
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Jan 29, 2016 - 09:24pm PT
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I looked at some of the reviews for Mr. Fincum's book on Amazon.
He wrote about a quick draw of his character's pistol, killing three people in a sudden shootout, and more.
Jan 28, 2016 - 10:09am PT from Lorezo
Levoy Finicum, the guy that was killed, had a book out on Amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/Only-Blood-Suffering-LAVOY-FINICUM/dp/193773594X
Here's a piece of what he wrote:
and more from Amazon reviews:
Those of you familiar with the high desert of the Four Corners region know what kind of a rugged landscape is, and it's winter and snowing to boot - but no worries, these kids are H.E.A.L.T.H.Y. and can handle it all. Plus, any dangerous peeps about and they're loaded to the hilt with firearms, just like Dad (with a capital D) taught them. Oh, and since Dad (with a capital D) was wise and believed in an old prophecy by one of the Mormon gurus, he's been stocking up on food for years and even stashing it in super-secret places all over all the back roads leading to the ranch for the kids to find it on their way through the dangerous high country. And they actually found those caches, despite the heavy snow. For realz.
SPOILERS AHEAD: after the kids get to the ranch and everyone's safe (except Dad's wife who didn't believe in carrying guns, so the baddies knocked her off in the first chapter), there's all kinds of kerfuffles in the community over them having lots of food stashed away and it should be shared with everyone else who wasn't smart enough to stash away. That all leads to a big stand off and our 'hero' packs up his guns and thus ensues some big shoot-em-up. Why he would fire on his neighbors and not negotiate? Dunno, but even worse afterwards our 'hero' is judge, jury and executioner over a female government employee that he resented over the whole thing and ----------->>>>real spoiler---->>>he strung her up on his rope and (sic) hung her.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Jan 30, 2016 - 01:05am PT
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New resort listing on Airbnb
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Jan 30, 2016 - 04:54am PT
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It really is a shame all this mishegas took away focus from the absolute railroading of the Hammonds and the long history of similar treatment of the (previous) landowners around them. These retards gave .Gov a great distraction.
Its a pretty deviously simple protocol. Go after one land owner at a time, then you don't kick the hornets nest and anyone supporting the (one) landowner are viewed as radicals. And if you already 'own' the land, just systematically turn it into wilderness that reduces your overhead but not your budget.
Combine that with shuffle your feet and gaze at your belly button on a few other issues, hold some perfunctory public review sessions and voila!
The BLM and Forest Service sure has come a long way from just managing lands that no one wanted to Homestead.
Have to give credit where credit is due, our elected officials and their appointees have taken the march to statism and made it into artform.
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Dave
Mountain climber
the ANTI-fresno
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Jan 30, 2016 - 06:49am PT
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As you were saying...
The FS person in this video is outright bragging about taking property (scamming him) from a WWII vet at well under market value to enlarge the Mojave refuge and deny the possibility of he or anyone else mining on it (legally) in the future.
https://www.facebook.com/GoldRushExpedinc/videos/10153198157275940/
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Jan 30, 2016 - 07:00am PT
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Regarding the last two posters. I am sure there are significnt issues for land users vs the government. Certainly that has been true for climbers at times.
What they need is organization..not militia but smart lawyers. Ie an access fund.
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franky
Trad climber
Black Hills, SD
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Jan 30, 2016 - 07:00am PT
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Dave, i must be missing something. She said it was appraised at 2.5 million and they sold it to her. Where is the controversy?
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franky
Trad climber
Black Hills, SD
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Jan 30, 2016 - 07:09am PT
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Also, seems to me like that the Hammonds quite possibly earned their five years, despite how stupid conservative supported mandatory minimum sentencing is.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Jan 30, 2016 - 08:42am PT
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Or they could write a sternly worded letter to their senators.
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Spiny Norman
Social climber
Boring, Oregon
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Jan 30, 2016 - 08:58am PT
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To cover up illegal poaching, Hammonds started one range fire. That fire endangered people who were hunting legally and destroyed their camp.
The Hammonds started a second fore during a burn ban, when they knew that firefigters were camped upslope on the butte.
http://landrights.org/or/Hammond/FINAL-Decision-Hammond_Redacted.pdf
F*#k the Hammonds. They are not good men, they repeatedly violated the law, and they were tried and convicted by a jury of their peers in Pendleton — not in Portland or Salem or even in Bend.
If you don't like mandatory sentencing laws, great. Neither do I. But the Hammonds are the last people I'd use as poster children for that sentiment.
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