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Marlow
Sport climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 17, 2016 - 11:17am PT
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Jul 17, 2016 - 06:32pm PT
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Thanks for the classic images Marlow.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jul 17, 2016 - 09:16pm PT
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hey there say, marlow.... WOW... say, this is GREAT! SAY, THANKs for
sharing all this stuff...
say, i missed it all, the first time...
very HAPPY to see the bump, here...
neat, will have to come BACK when i can, though, to read it all,
:)
wow... thanks again, and to all that shared, here, as well...
:)
well, happy good eve, to all!
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 3, 2016 - 04:40am PT
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It's an incredible drawing by Dore. Looking at the drawing you feel like you're standing there... on the edge...
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 3, 2016 - 05:06am PT
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Cool, Randisi, keep on posting. The photo of Paul Preuss with a Grivel ice axe says Monaco, not München. Do you know what is right?
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 3, 2016 - 05:11am PT
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Yes, confusing, entertaining and enlightening... Thanks.
The mistake has been made before:
Two women led themselves on a wild goose chase from Italy to Munich after arranging to meet their niece in Monaco -- which in Italian can mean either the tiny principality on the French Riviera, or Bavaria's capital.
"The problem was they thought Munich was Monaco," said a spokesman for Munich police on Wednesday.
Called Monaco di Baviera in Italian, the city is known as Muenchen in High German, Mnichov in Czech, Monachium in Polish and Minga in the local Bavarian dialect.
The two women, originally from the Dominican Republic, had driven across the Alps from Trento in northern Italy to collect the 14-year-old from the Paris-Munich train, but started to panic and went to the police when the girl failed to appear.
As the two spoke only Italian and Spanish, and because the niece had no mobile phone, it took police 1 1/2 hours to establish that she had actually gone to the Mediterranean.
Afterwards, the women got back in their car and set off on the 840 km (523 mile) journey to Monaco, the spokesman said.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Gear will only take you so far...
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oh, yeah, it's still on! Here's the OG origin of the equipment wars!
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 27, 2016 - 12:45pm PT
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Randisi
I had no references, but searching around I found this Bergsteiger sculpture from 1909
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 27, 2016 - 12:52pm PT
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The climbing of mountains was started by chamois hunters, mineral searchers and monks trying to get closer to God...
Some photos of chamois hunters:
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Aug 28, 2016 - 10:35am PT
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 28, 2016 - 10:43am PT
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Randisi
I don't know for sure, but I think they had the idea of pure collecting of summits in the spirit of HB de Saussure. But I would be surpriced if some of them were not geologists or studying the glaciers inbetween the summit collection.
TT
That's a cool collection, the ring-bolt is the longest one I have seen.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 28, 2016 - 10:58am PT
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There were times when scientific inquiry went hand in hand with the searching for closeness to God. Pater Placidus a Spesca (1752 – 1833) is such an example. He ended up in more than just a little trouble.
A link: http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=2679084&tn=0#msg2679084
Placidus a Spescha was a benedictine monk and early Alpine explorer born in Trun, near Disentis, in the valley of the upper Rhine in Graubünden. He became a monk in 1774 in Disentis and went to Einsiedeln to complete his education.
The rest of his life was spent in serving various cures in his native valley, though he suffered much at the hands of his brother monks, who could not understand his scientific tastes. In 1799 he was accused of being a spy (his climbs and maps were held suspicious) in favour of the French invaders, and, when the French did come, he had to give up to them all his scientific collections. In addition he had the dreadful experience of learning, soon after his departure, that his monastery, with all its most precious archives, including his own original collection, had been burnt by order of a French general so as to punish the peasants who dared to resist his advance.
Spescha achieved an extraordinary amount of success in his mountain explorations around his native valley. It is true that Spescha failed to attain the very highest summit, the Tödi, although in 1788 he ascended the Stockgron (11,214 ft), close to it, and only 673 ft lower, while in 1824, sitting on the depression (close to the Stockgron and 863 ft lower than the Todi), now called the "Porta da Spescha", he had the satisfaction of seeing the two local chamois hunters that he had sent forward actually attain the loftiest point. Here are the names of some of his principal climbs -in 1789, the Rheinwaldhorn (11,149 ft), the highest summit around the sources of the Hinter Rhine, and, in 1806, the Güferhorn (11,132 ft.), the second summit of that region; in 1792, the Oberalpstock (10,926 ft), the highest point anywhere near Disentis; in 1793, the Piz Urlaun (11,060 ft), near the Todi; in 1801, Piz Aul (10,250 ft) and Piz Scharboda (10,250 ft); and in 1802, Piz Terri (10,338 ft), these three mountains being the culminating points in the ranges that rise to the north of the Rheinwaldhorn group. Oddly enough, he does not seem to have visited any of the higher peaks of the Medel group, but only its outliers, here again the dread of glaciers probably holding him back. It is noteworthy that in the course of all his climbs he rarely set foot on a glacier, though in 1812, on occasion of his second ascent of the Oberalpstock, he did cross the easy glacier Brunni Pass (8977 ft).
The Raetian Museum in Chur contains part of his geological collection.
Wikipedia
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Aug 28, 2016 - 12:53pm PT
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The exhibit ^^^ is from the Alpinismus display in the Haus der Berge in Berchtesgaden...
This is from the St Zeno cemetery in Bad Reichenhall...
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 20, 2016 - 11:42am PT
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Brian in SLC
I have been trying to sort out the Linthal - Lintthal mystery, but the inconsistencies abound.
In a current Wiki article the text goes "Linthal ist ein Dorf in der Gemeinde Glarus Süd im Kanton Glarus in der .... The Valley of Linth (Lintthal)"
But I found a 1895 travel guide where the name of the village was Lintthal. The Vögeli ice axes were both made before 1912 and I think the 1895 book is more to be trusted when it comes to the old name of the village. Something may have happened about the naming around 1900-1910.
Here is a page from the 1895 book about Switzerland and the adjacent portions of Italy, Savoy and Tyrol.
Another Gebr. Vögeli Lintthal ice axe was lately sold at eBay.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 13, 2016 - 09:09am PT
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I saw this old French ice axe on eBay. It's a Francois Simond et Fils Chamois E. The axe looks ceremonial.
Do you know the meaning of the symbols?
In Germany and Austria there is often metal plates with the name of summits on the axes, but here you find areas. As an example I connect Chartres mostly to the church...
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 13, 2016 - 01:03pm PT
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And here's an old ice piton made by F. Simond, Chamonix. I have seen similar pitons before - marked Sporthaus Schuster and Stubai.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 14, 2016 - 09:57am PT
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And then a couple of French pitons looking even older - one with a big ring, the other one with an "unclosed" double ring.
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Brian in SLC
Social climber
Salt Lake City, UT
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Nov 14, 2016 - 12:42pm PT
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I have been trying to sort out the Linthal - Lintthal mystery, but the inconsistencies abound.
In a current Wiki article the text goes "Linthal ist ein Dorf in der Gemeinde Glarus Süd im Kanton Glarus in der .... The Valley of Linth (Lintthal)"
Yeah...old German is "thal" for valley? Rosenthal, the Rosen valley?
Wasn't the turn of the century iron trade in Austria involving the town or area of "Lint"?
So...to me, "Lintthal" kinda makes sense?
Or, is/was there another iron producing area of "Lin"?
Great photo's!!
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