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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jul 22, 2012 - 06:40pm PT
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Ron
You just proved Norton's point. Thanks!
yep
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 22, 2012 - 07:08pm PT
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"•An estimated 41% of gun-related homicides and 94% of gun-related suicides would not occur under the same circumstances had no guns been present"
Huh?
Shouldn't it be in 100% of gun homicides, there's a gun present?
And how exactly do the other 6% of gun suicides do it without a gun?
That study - like all the others - is just crap.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Jul 22, 2012 - 08:01pm PT
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It's interesting that all the support-your-local-gun folks and their n(ra)ational brothers, were so quick to support the rights of the Black Panther Party for Freedom and Self-Defense to carry weapons and protect themselves.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Jul 22, 2012 - 08:06pm PT
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http://www.cdc.gov/Injury/wisqars/pdf/10LCD-Age-Grp-US-2009-a.pdf
Death by gunshot does not even make the CDC top 10 causes of death in America.
Get real folks.
There are much higher priorities for our government in it's DUTY to safeguard it's citizens than gun regulation.
Absolute undeniable fact ..
Lets take care of the real problems first
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Jul 22, 2012 - 08:25pm PT
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Guns, Babies, and Jesus. Not sure about the order.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Jul 22, 2012 - 08:36pm PT
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Yet over a million babies are murdered every year, and people call that a choice.....not for the baby.
That guy oughta be arrested.
Are you sure about that number? A baby is a free-standing human living outside it's mother's body. If you're talking about abortions, that's a significantly more complex issue that cannot be well addressed in your one-liner, nor in a forum such as this.
Mind you, I'm in favor of you making your anti-abortion stance (if you have one) known as a reminder that horrible (in the eye of the viewer) things go on all the time. I throw up a photo of Nagasaki/Hiroshima every once in a while myself. These folks were free-standing people all living outside their mother's bodies (some of whom I imagine were expecting).
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jul 22, 2012 - 08:57pm PT
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The point is, that by definition, lawful gun owners are just that! They only use guns in self-defense, range-shooting, or hunting.
They also tend to exhibit extraordinary gun discipline, aka gun safety.
Yeah!
Like George Zimmerman.
Like Theodore Kaczynski
Like Timothy McVey.
EXTRAORDINARY gun discipline.
By definition.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jul 22, 2012 - 09:18pm PT
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Yet, you yourself have been shot at by people who know what they were doing and paid to do so. Paid? To shoot at YOU? Just what were you doing at the time? Why is it that they would be paid to shoot at such a rational and pacifist guy like yourself?
There's a lot of life experiences involving guns that you haven't had, little hilltroll.
My favorite person who described themselves as a pacificist was Norman Schwarzkopf. My favorite person who lived as a pacificist was Desmond Doss. More brave on the bottom of his boot than you have in your body.
I imagine your heroes are the likes of Lt. Calley and Jim Jones, good gun users both.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jul 22, 2012 - 09:20pm PT
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Yet over a million babies are murdered every year, and people call that a choice.....not for the baby.
Where's the outrage over that? Shameful.
They aren't babies, baby.
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Bowser
Social climber
Durango CO
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Jul 22, 2012 - 10:55pm PT
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I have carried a 9mm in my vehicle for over 25 years. It is just another tool in my emergency kit, bottle jack, tire iron, tool set, first aid kit, flares and a 9mm.
In all of these years I have never even come close to thinking a firearm was needed. We have always vacated any confrontational situations, and yes there have been a few.
But you can bet your ass that I will protect my family and unarmed bystanders in a dangerous or deadly situation.
I am sure not going to lay down and hope for the cops to come save me. I and my family will have a fighting chance.
TB
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jul 22, 2012 - 11:15pm PT
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It is interesting how the right to bear arms people are so eager to regulate a woman's uterus.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Jul 22, 2012 - 11:29pm PT
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In all of these years I have never even come close to thinking a firearm was needed.
If you'd have invested the money spent on the gun (or the money you could have earned selling it) for 25 years, then you could hire your own private army of flame thrower soldiers. Regulation is much less strict in Colorado than California.
666 days on the road, but I'm gonna see my baby tonight.
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Bowser
Social climber
Durango CO
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Jul 22, 2012 - 11:30pm PT
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I am a "Right to Bear Arms People" and regulating a woman's uterus sounds pretty disgusting.
No thanks
Peace of mind is well worth the $350.00 investment.
TB
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Jul 22, 2012 - 11:58pm PT
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Zbrown...If someone uses a flame thrower in a theater , is it kosher to yell fire....?
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beef supreme
climber
the west
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Jul 23, 2012 - 12:52am PT
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amen to that bowser
edit:
and it's not even remotely a coherent argument to lump 'pro-gun' people in with those who wish to 'control the uterus' or however tastefully it was put.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Jul 23, 2012 - 01:01am PT
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Ken has "many hundreds of police friends". ha.
Why don't you ask them if they carry a gun while off duty.
Why is it that the people who are posting stats in order show the huge number of gun deaths, are for the most part the same ones who say that the odds of using a gun in self defense are so minuscule?
Seems a bit contradictory.
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Jul 23, 2012 - 01:12am PT
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I guess we won't know for sure unless everyone carries a gun.
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beef supreme
climber
the west
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Jul 23, 2012 - 01:15am PT
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KenM, you wrote:
Like George Zimmerman.
Like Theodore Kaczynski
Like Timothy McVey.
EXTRAORDINARY gun discipline.
By definition.
First off, jury's still out on Zimmerman, you may be right in your a*#umption, maybe not. And Teddy and Timmy were bombers if you don't remember. Unless I'm mixing up the uni-bomber and the ok city bomber guy, but I'm pretty sure those names stand out.
If you want to talk gun control, talk gun control. If you want to talk crazy sociopath control, talk crazy sociopath control. Just saying. There really isn't an argument to be made when you compare the fukin unibomber to someone that owns a firearm.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jul 23, 2012 - 01:19am PT
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"Why don't you ask them if they carry a gun while off duty."
I know of at least one 20+ year veteran with the Medford Sheriff Dept who would tell you 'no'.
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WBraun
climber
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Jul 23, 2012 - 01:20am PT
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monolith -- "I guess we won't know for sure unless everyone carries a gun."
Everyone already has a gun.
It's in our body mind and soul .......
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