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elcap-pics
Big Wall climber
Crestline CA
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Aug 28, 2010 - 05:59pm PT
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This discussion sounds like the Republicans continuing to talk about nonexistant "death panels" even after they knew there were none in the health bill.
I do not think Ammon was tased because he was base jumping. Yet several of you continue to promote the idea that Base jumping = tasing. That is not a valid equation. Others say he was not doing anything illegal. Come on guys... reality check please... he DID something illegal... Ok?... LEO's swear an oath to uphold the law. So they upheld it. He got caught, too bad for him.
If you know Ammon, you know he doesn't respond well to authority... and IF he was PERHAPS bitten by a few KCobras before the jump, then who knows what what really happened?
This whole discussion is reminiscent of Chongo's situation in the valley when everyone was all excited because he finally got busted for living illegally in the valley for YEARS. The fact that he was guilty seemed to make no difference to them! Hell, some people even went into Federal court and lied for him! We naturally want our friends to suffer as little as possible for their mistakes but whining about him getting caught, when he knew the law and the consequences of breaking it, is just so much wasted energy. Several years ago I was busted for selling photos to tourists.. I could have bolted for the car but what is the point of that? I was guilty and I knew it so I went along quietly and had my day in court. That's what responsible people do. You fight it out in court, not with the arresting officers.. there is no possible good that can come from running... it only makes things get worse.
Ammon, if you are reading all this drivel, please do not respond in any way, on any forum.... anything you say will be used against you and in any legal matter it is foolish to say anything to anyone but your lawyer.
Ammon will have his day in court and all the bashing and whining here will make no difference. We all wish him the best... the rest is just people venting their own frustrations in their own lives.
I hope these will be my last words on this topic..
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MTucker
Ice climber
Arizona
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Aug 28, 2010 - 06:02pm PT
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COZ
Read above.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Aug 28, 2010 - 07:14pm PT
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Well said Tom.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Aug 28, 2010 - 08:46pm PT
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I just instant messaged a bit with Ammon, and he told me the basics. I believe you will all be outraged when you hear the particulars, as I was. What he told me, he revealed to me in confidence, so please don't ask.
Obviously he is knott going to comment here nor anywhere else.
From the sounds of things, you have not heard the end of this, not by a longshot. I wish Ammon the best!
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Aug 28, 2010 - 09:08pm PT
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So he WAS driving with a mad woman?
"He got weed! He got weed!"
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Aug 28, 2010 - 10:20pm PT
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"I just instant messaged a bit with Ammon, and he told me the basics. I believe you will all be outraged when you hear the particulars, as I was. What he told me, he revealed to me in confidence, so please don't ask. "
Then just keep your mouth shut and do not post that you even spoke with him on a public forum.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Aug 28, 2010 - 10:20pm PT
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refer? i'd like some refer,
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KyleO
Gym climber
Calgary, AB
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Aug 28, 2010 - 10:30pm PT
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^
lol...cintune
Quite unbelievable to say the least. Good luck Ammon, on the outcome. The NPS has changed and it is noticable not only in the south, but in Canada as well...
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MTucker
Ice climber
Arizona
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Aug 28, 2010 - 10:51pm PT
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Sure, what ever Pete. Adding fuel to a non-existent fire.
Everyone on the wrong side of the law feels like they were abused and will get their day in court and their day of revenge.
Cops have a large latitude and protections when dealing with criminals.
This ain't no Rodney King.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Aug 28, 2010 - 10:58pm PT
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Aug 29, 2010 - 12:41am PT
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Out of five confirmed 5.14 climbs,
sheist!
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Aug 29, 2010 - 01:32am PT
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hey there all, say, .... very sorry to hear the whole thing.... just got back online and hoped to hear that all are well...
hard things for all involved, in this, truly said...
well, hope things work-out best for all involved, in the long run...
:(
*fattrad, say, thanks for the advice about "not running"---i know a few young folks that know OTHER young folks, and this may someday be good advice for them, one never knows...
also---i am very glad that ammon is alive... it would have been awful, if this had turned out in a death, as we sadly are sometimes seeing such hard-sad-headlines here... :(
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Aug 29, 2010 - 02:15am PT
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Obviously we don't have the details yet so It's a bit dangerous to comment, but two points
1. If Ammon was tasered inappropriately, they will likely drop his case to avoid bringing it to the attention of the judge and such. That might be better than the legal treatment that other base jumpers get.
2. Law enforcement has cultural attitudes. For some reason, Yosemite Law tends to regard base jumping as an offensive, serious crime. They spend serious time and money staking out jumpers. In my mind, the attitude towards jumpers is out of line with the danger that jumpers pose to the resource and others. This might have played a part in the treatment Ammon got. Do you taser all fleeing suspects? Where does LEO draw the line? Maybe they feel if you need to flee, they need to stop you? I don't know how the law reads. You have to be close to tase so it's plain we just don't know what happened.
I have met some fine and professional LEO in Yosemite, but I certainly can't speak for all of them. Let's see what facts come up. Whatever happens, Ammon is a great guy and I hope he comes out of this Ok.
Peace
karl
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Aug 29, 2010 - 02:15am PT
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Jaywalking, riding a bike without a light, talking on your cell phone while driving, driving with a headlight out. I guess these are all taserable offenses now. Where do they draw the line? As there should be a line drawn, and not left up to the cops "latitude".
Totally chickenshit to taze a base jumper.
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Watusi
Social climber
Newport, OR
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Aug 29, 2010 - 06:18am PT
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I can say those Rangers aren't the sharpest "Tools" in the shed...
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Badwaters
Big Wall climber
Alaska
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Aug 29, 2010 - 10:41am PT
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People like coz make climbers look pretty dumb, his posts exude ignorance.
Dano was killed because of his own shortcomings regarding his own rigging and mistakes, to bring his death into this discussion is beyond pathetic and a sign of deep ignorance, and frankly just plain disgusting. You forgot the fact he was also caught with a bag of cocaine, not just a loaded handgun.
Frank decided to run, no LEO made that decision for him, he died. It was his decision to run for it! His death also has absolutely nothing to do with the arrest of Ammon.
Why you insist making wild claims that Ammon was Tasered because he was caught BASE jumping has not one fact to back that false narrative. Tom made it quite clear, wait for the facts. I doubt you're correct with your wild and baseless assumptions
Get a grip dude, you're as clueless as they come!! The LEO Rangers are real cops no matter how much you hate them.
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Badwaters
Big Wall climber
Alaska
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Aug 29, 2010 - 11:48am PT
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Erza, that is Scott Cosgrove.
And so what if someone was/is a good climber, he lacks common sense and a grip of reality.
And besides, Scott called out Sean Jones about his route on Half Dome with loads of silly comments including one where he said he wanted to kick his ass! He even eluded to the fact he was in the company of special forces members during that discussion for what reason exactly? Intimidation?
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Badwaters
Big Wall climber
Alaska
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Aug 29, 2010 - 12:09pm PT
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BASE 104,
I've met Tom and I agree, very nice man. And very brilliant as well.
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Argon
climber
North Bay, CA
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Aug 29, 2010 - 12:24pm PT
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"The LEO Rangers are real cops no matter how much you hate them."
Good point Badwaters - but I think that is the crux of matter. These LEO's did indeed act like real cops rather than like tolerant and enlightened stewards of a public treasure. I just saw another poignant example of the behavior of real cops. Check out the latest HBO Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel for an update on the shooting by police of Robert Tolan. Tolan is a minor league baseball player and son of former major leaguer Bobby Tolan. He was shot multiple times right in front of his parents at their home in Bellaire Texas by another chickensttt cop. Don't know if this cop had a taser - but he was shooting to kill. Here's a link to the story:
http://www.hbo.com/real-sports-with-bryant-gumbel/index.html
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