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Lorenzo
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Portland Oregon
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Jan 29, 2016 - 04:41pm PT
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It occurs to me that once this is over, the most onerous charge could be for each count of disturbing Native American artifacts.
The Paiute tribe will surely file a complaint.
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kattz
climber
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Jan 29, 2016 - 04:41pm PT
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Not convinced the feds really going to do much, yet, especially considering multiple loonies had been allowed to leave without arrest so far. Bundy and co. will plea no contest to current charge for sure, but afraid they'll get only some fine and guns confiscated.
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Chewybacca
Trad climber
Kelly Morgan, Whitefish MT
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Jan 29, 2016 - 04:42pm PT
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They're counting on President Trump to pardon them.
Just read there will be no bail for the Bundy bros, don't know about the rest.
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kattz
climber
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Jan 29, 2016 - 04:45pm PT
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"U.S. Magistrate Stacie Beckerman said she believed Bundy might attempt to occupy other federal property if she allowed him to be released on bail before his trial on charges of conspiracy...."
Yosemite??
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jan 29, 2016 - 04:48pm PT
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Jan 29, 2016 - 04:48pm PT
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I've been occupying the Camp IV bathroom since the New Bubba Revolution started. Um? Could someone let me out?
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Jan 29, 2016 - 04:48pm PT
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No bail for anybody until the holdout is over at least, said the judge. The government says they are OK with releasing the woman after the holdout under conditions, including she not enter any government building except for courthouse hearings, no firearms, and she leave Oregon except for court appearances.
Oregon doesn't use bail bondsmen. You pay 10% of the set bail and are liable for the rest. There are no bounty hunters, they"ll just own the Bundy ranch.
You get everything back but 15% of what you paid (court costs) if you show up at trial.
So a $10,000 bail costs $150
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jan 29, 2016 - 04:51pm PT
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Just showed the shooting video on the evening news.
They can never hope to "fish out" the carp. They should be coming up with a tasty recipe instead.
Hell, anything dipped in batter and deep fried can sell.
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kattz
climber
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Jan 29, 2016 - 04:52pm PT
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I hope they won't try Camp 4, the lady ranger in the kiosk will deal justice swiftly and brutally...they'll wish they met a bear instead.
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Jan 29, 2016 - 05:01pm PT
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She's the one who locked me in. Send snacks.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Jan 29, 2016 - 05:02pm PT
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I've been occupying the Camp IV bathroom since the New Bubba Revolution started. Um? Could someone let me out?
A duck has been there for 30 years. He can't get out either.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Jan 29, 2016 - 05:16pm PT
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For the record and for completeness sake and because the video at 18-19 sec mark is not crystal clear, I acknowledge the possibility agent behind vehicle in aforementioned discussion might have been caught unawares (e.g., inattentive, eyes off the ball, pants down in Barney Fife mode) and in the last instant left the vehicle for the safety of the snowbank not knowing precisely where the subject was (in his approaching vehicle).
The irony: this point - that is, the intention and posturing of the agent - was not my initial interest. The initial interest, there were two interests actually, were... (1) the description at CBS News this morning: "(Subject) nearly hits an FBI agent" and the inference that brings with it making no reference to the active movement of the agent; and (2) potential surprise of the subject (Finicum) at seeing agent on foot in his path and how that may have affected his running of the roadblock.
Here is another description: "Finicum nearly runs over a federal agent and crashes into a snow bank."
I just think it's worth noting at some point in the overarching analysis (a) that Finicum at the 18-19 second time interval of the aforementioned video didn't know (couldn't know) for sure that an agent on foot would move into his vehicle's path; and (b) that this agent's conduct might have surprised Finicum and ultimately altered vehicle's trajectory and Finicum's success.
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I don't kno Finicum, I haven't researched him, but I'd BET he wasn't evil.
Finicum...
Tarbuster...
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Jan 29, 2016 - 05:16pm PT
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Dirty Wernie got a duck for his birthday. He took it for walks every day
and enjoyed having a pet. One day, Sleezy Suzy saw him walking the duck,
and said, "Hey, I like your duck. Will you give it to me if we go into the
bushes and fool around?" Dirty Wernie agreed, and off they went. When they
finished, Dirty Wernie said, "Hey, if you'll give me my duck back, we can
do that again." So they fooled around in the bushes some more. Unfortu-
nately, about this time a big truck came barreling down the street. The
truck driver saw the duck in the road, and slammed on his brakes - but no
luck - he ran right over it. The driver told Dirty Wernie, "Hey kid, I'm
sorry about your duck. Here's two dollars to pay for it." Later, when Dirty
Wernie finally got home, his dad asked him how his day was. Dirty Wernie
said, "Not bad, Dad. I got a f*#k for a duck, a duck for a f*#k, and two bucks for a f*#ked-up duck."
He said if I keep telling this joke he's gunna pack my chute.
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Jan 29, 2016 - 05:20pm PT
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Did you just vacillate after calling everyone stupid?
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Jan 29, 2016 - 05:22pm PT
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I just think it's worth noting at some point in the overarching analysis (a) that Finicum at the 18-19 second time interval of the aforementioned video didn't know (couldn't know) for sure that an agent on foot would move into his vehicle's path and (b) that this agent's conduct might have surprised him and ultimately altered vehicle's trajectory and Finicum's success.
Speaking of overreaching analysis...
Finicum was fleeing from a lawful LEO traffic stop, when the LEO's already had probable cause and warrants.
Everything that happened to him after him stepping on the gas is his own damn fault and a risk to LEO's which they will always strive to minimize. You don't get to chose outcomes after that.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Jan 29, 2016 - 05:26pm PT
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Did you just vacillate after calling everyone stupid?
No, only you in this instance for jumping to a conclusion - something half the population it seems is inclined to do.
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"Everything that happened to him after him stepping on the gas is his own damn fault..."
And Lorenzo, nobody here I don't think disagrees with your points.
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Event analysis and explanation does not mean excusing the behavior.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jan 29, 2016 - 05:33pm PT
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Not Dave Katz
North LA Climber and FA master
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Jan 29, 2016 - 05:34pm PT
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Jumping to a hypothesis with a projected 12% accuracy, you mean?
You're a dummy.
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kattz
climber
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Jan 29, 2016 - 05:38pm PT
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Regarding the Cooper's photos... with sentencing and adding other charges, it's going to get hard to explain to the public why multiple other participants had not been charged with anything....this is exactly why I think this is looking like slap on a wrist and not much more, so far. They might end up with 1 year probation, dangling very big fine or several years in prison.
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