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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Apr 21, 2014 - 11:17am PT
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Ron continues to milk his five minutes of fame.
Fecking hilarious, the guy never stop playing army from his childhood days.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Apr 21, 2014 - 11:27am PT
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The BLM had every right to do what they did in Nevada...it is written into Nevada state laws.
"All political power is inherent in the people. Government is instituted for the protection, security and benefit of the people; and they have the right to alter or reform the same whenever the public good may require it. But the Paramount Allegiance of every citizen is due to the Federal Government in the exercise of all its Constitutional powers as the same have been or may be defined by the Supreme Court of the United States; and no power exists in the people of this or any other State of the Federal Union to dissolve their connection therewith or perform any act tending to impair, subvert, or resist the Supreme Authority of the government of the United States. The Constitution of the United States confers full power on the Federal Government to maintain and Perpetuate its existence, and whensoever any portion of the States, or people thereof attempt to secede from the Federal Union, or forcibly resist the Execution of its laws, the Federal Government may, by warrant of the Constitution, employ armed force in compelling obedience to its Authority."
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/04/the-irony-of-cliven-bundys-unconstitutional-stand/360587/
Go back to your cave Ron.
Ron wrote: And FYI fare more ST users and lurkers support this position than the few here crying...
And they are as dumb and misinformed as you are.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Apr 21, 2014 - 11:34am PT
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It is Nevada law, something you just can't seem to understand.
You are a freaking whackjob.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Apr 21, 2014 - 11:39am PT
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How many times do i tell you this ISNT just about one rancher and grazing fees until that sinks in??
Absolutely! It is about hating America... about hating our government... about the use of violence to promote your ideas of right and wrong, regardless of the legal system... in short it is about anarchy.
America... love it or use violence to get your way.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 21, 2014 - 11:40am PT
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"you don't point guns at cops."...
Unless you're aimin' to kill them at which point all bets are off.
Tell me Ron is there an intrinsic difference between pointing a gun at a cop and pointing a joint?
Maybe Nevadastan should legalize pot to show the Feds who's boss.
Besides y'all need to light up or at least lighten up.
And Locker you should GO CLIMBING before you make too much sense and too many lurking coward enemys.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 21, 2014 - 11:46am PT
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What???? You mean STATES rights should come before FEDERAL laws?? How dare you...
Who said that?
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 21, 2014 - 11:49am PT
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Well the OhCOWpie MOOvement has set a helluva precedent but what's the "End Game" Ron? What do YOU want to see happen? Is there a win/win out there?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Apr 21, 2014 - 11:54am PT
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Nevada has a medical marijuana program, one of 21 states.
Yes, they accept cards from other states.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Apr 21, 2014 - 12:01pm PT
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What? Ron was wrong about something in NV? I don't believe it. Next thing you know Chaz will be telling us all it is our constitutional right to point guns at federal agents.
America... love it or use violence to change it.
The Second Amendment... because the founding fathers knew their system of government wouldn't work and in the end violence is the only answer.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Apr 21, 2014 - 12:02pm PT
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Ron wrote: Much like the health care im paying for but YET to actually see it , or have it.. Another FEDRERAL mandate.. And another program wrought with dysfunction.
You really can't be that dumb???
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 21, 2014 - 12:14pm PT
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this is very entertaining
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 21, 2014 - 12:15pm PT
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Maria_Baca_Grant_No._4
Luis Maria Baca Grant No. 4
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Luis Maria Baca Grant No. 4, south of Crestone, Colorado, was a large land grant made in 1860 by the United States to the heirs of the original Vegas Grandes Grant at Las Vegas, New Mexico.[1][2] Title to the grant at Las Vegas was clouded by a second grant of the same land.[2] The Baca heirs were offered alternative lands from the public lands of the United States.[2] The largest of the tracts selected, near what is now Crestone,[2] was 12.5 miles (20.1 km) on a side and was located to the south of what is now Saguache County Road T, about 1-mile (1.6 km) south of the 38th parallel. The Bacas deeded the land to their attorney, but it soon passed by tax sale to a third party. The ranch headquarters was on Crestone Creek to the southwest of Crestone. The Baca Grant was one of the first large tracts of land to be fenced in the West and in its heyday was the home of prize Hereford cattle.[3]
In addition to ranching there was some mining in the area to the east and south of Crestone, some on the lands of the grant, but no big strikes. In 1880 the town of Crestone was platted by George Adams, the owner of the Baca Grant. In 1900, with the help of Eastern investors, George Adams ignited a minor boom, reopening one of the more promising mines and building a railroad spur to the town and the mines along the Sangre de Cristo Range south of town. However, lacking good ore, the boom was short-lived. A long period of decline followed.
View from the northwestern corner of the original grant
By 1948 Crestone had declined to its post-war population of 40 souls, mostly retired folks and cowboys who worked on The Grant, as the Baca Grant was called locally. In 1971 a portion of the Baca Grant, under the corporate ownership of the Arizona-Colorado Land and Cattle Company, immediately south of Crestone, was subdivided, creating the Baca Grande, a subdivision originally platted for about 10,000 lots. At great expense, underground utilities were installed and roads built. However, sales lagged and by 1979 the development was considered a liability by the corporation, then renamed AZL. Maurice Strong, owner of a controlling interest in AZL and his fiancée Hanne Marstrand visited the development and "fell in love with it." The Strongs were inspired to create a world spiritual center and began granting parcels of land to traditional spiritual organizations.
In the late eighties, the remaining lands and waters of the ranch, now termed the "Baca Ranch" or "Baca", were used as a base by the corporate ownership of the ranch, reorganized as "American Water Development, Inc" (AWDI), to make an application in the Colorado Water Courts to develop and export deep underground water to the front range cities of Colorado. This application was vigorously opposed by the local community in the San Luis Valley and met defeat in the Colorado Supreme Court in 1991.[4][2]
In 1995, with the Baca under new ownership, a new group of investors initiated another water exportation plan. The Stockman's Water plan, as it was known, was the creation of San Luis Valley native Gary Boyce and his Cabeza de Baca company. The Stockman's Water plan was defeated in the Colorado legislature in 1998.[5]
Bankrupt, the lands of the corporation, after sustained litigation, were purchased by the Nature Conservancy and subsequently incorporated into the public lands of the United States, the southern and eastern portions as national forest and the Great Sand Dunes National Park and Preserve and the northern and western portions as the Baca National Wildlife Refuge.[6] The original ranch headquarters and other buildings are on the wildlife refuge. As is usual on federal wildlife refuges, grazing and hay production continue on a limited basis.
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This was a far reaching case that effected many more people's real lives than the clown show in Nevada. Surely not everyone was happy with the outcome, particularly some very very wealthy folk who for a change didn't get their way when the PEOPLE spoke. They spoke with their vote without need to resort to armed insurrection. The LEGAL outcome gives maximum benefit to the majority of users. Here is a case where Federal involvement and land management has paid off for the better.
This is the way we handle things in the great and civilized state of Stonerado.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Apr 21, 2014 - 12:21pm PT
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Ron: All I got out of you was some bluster, when I answered your Monday Morning posting.
Are you so delusional that you can continue to ignore reality?
Among other things you asserted:
His statement in Las Vegas last week was full of outright lies inf fact. NO ONE other than FED armed officers had any "automatic weapons" there. Harry Reid seems to need instruction on the difference.
Harry Reid then stated that the protesters had snipers on the hills.. Yes indeed they did, but Harry REID left out the part where those snipers were aiming at FEDERAL snipers who were aiming at the protesters.
My response was:
Apr 21, 2014 - 08:07am PT
Ron. Please get on with your life.
Yoy've seen these photos previously on this thread, and I'm astounded that you choose to ignore them. Doesn't look like this right-wing whack-job was targeting snipers, and his assault weapon may only be semi-automatic, but it was designed to kill people, not to hunt game with.
http://mediamatters.org/research/2014/04/18/fox-champions-bundy-supporters-who-threatened-v/198947
Flat on his belly in a sniper position, wearing a baseball cap and a flak jacket, a protester aimed his semi-automatic rifle from the edge of an overpass and waited as a crowd below stood its ground against U.S. federal agents in the Nevada desert. [Reuters, 4/17/14]
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 21, 2014 - 12:24pm PT
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Is Ron answering echo mail, bakin em biskits or trying to figure out how to get out of terminal hoof in mouth disease?
Or maybe he is beginning to realize that his Ted Nuggent Patriot Pants need some long over due attending.
Simple, straight forward questions asked respectfully answered with deflection or not at all.
Does anyone really wonder why he is the recipient of much derision?
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Apr 21, 2014 - 12:29pm PT
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Nah, Ron has to work... whenever people point out indisputable facts that contradict his stance. He lets the conversation drift before coming back with more false claims he is 100% certain are true.
A simple "oops, yeah, I guess NV does have a medicinal marijuana program..." etc, would go a long way. But we all know that will NEVER happen.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Apr 21, 2014 - 12:29pm PT
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Here you go Locker: Why? You gonna move there and join the militia? :)
Ballot Question 9 -- Approved Nov. 7, 2000 by 65% of voters
Effective: Oct. 1, 2001
Removes state-level criminal penalties on the use, possession and cultivation of marijuana by patients who have "written documentation" from their physician that marijuana may alleviate his or her condition.
Approved Conditions: AIDS; cancer; glaucoma; and any medical condition or treatment to a medical condition that produces cachexia, persistent muscle spasms or seizures, severe nausea or pain. Other conditions are subject to approval by the health division of the state Department of Human Resources.
Possession/Cultivation: Patients (or their primary caregivers) may legally possess no more than one ounce of usable marijuana, three mature plants, and four immature plants.
Registry: The law establishes a confidential state-run patient registry that issues identification cards to qualifying patients. Patients who do not join the registry or possess greater amounts of marijuana than allowed by law may argue the "affirmative defense of medical necessity" if they are arrested on marijuana charges. Legislators added a preamble to the legislation stating, "[T]he state of Nevada as a sovereign state has the duty to carry out the will of the people of this state and regulate the health, medical practices and well-being of those people in a manner that respects their personal decisions concerning the relief of suffering through the medical use of marijuana." A separate provision requires the Nevada School of Medicine to "aggressively" seek federal permission to establish a state-run medical marijuana distribution program.
Amended: Assembly Bill 453 (25 KB)
Effective: Oct. 1, 2001
Created a state registry for patients whose physicians recommend medical marijuana and tasked the Department of Motor Vehicles with issuing identification cards. No state money will be used for the program, which will be funded entirely by donations.
Amended: Senate Bill 374 (280 KB)
Signed into law by Gov. Brian Sandoval on June 12, 2013
"Provides for the registration of medical marijuana establishments authorized to cultivate or dispense marijuana or manufacture edible marijuana products or marijuana-infused products for sale to persons authorized to engage in the medical use of marijuana...
From April 1, 2014, through March 31, 2016, a nonresident purchaser must sign an affidavit attesting to the fact that he or she is entitled to engage in the medical use of marijuana in his or her state or jurisdiction of residency. On and after April 1, 2016, the requirement for such an affidavit is replaced by computer cross-checking between the State of Nevada and other jurisdictions." Patients who were growing before July 1, 2013 are allowed to continue home cultivation until March 31, 2016.
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dirtbag
climber
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Apr 21, 2014 - 12:33pm PT
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Why aren't these whack jobs in jail for interfering with a peace officer?
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 21, 2014 - 12:33pm PT
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Medical Marijuana approved by over 60% of Nevada voters.
All right Nevada! Way to enter part of the 21st century.
Bongs 4 Bundy. he clearly would qualify under the psycho statute.
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 21, 2014 - 12:35pm PT
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Why aren't these whack jobs in jail for interfering with a peace officer?
If you don't know the answer to that then you are a terrible at political science ......
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Apr 21, 2014 - 12:35pm PT
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Doesn't look like this right-wing whack-job was targeting snipers, and his assault weapon may only be semi-automatic, but it was designed to kill people, not to hunt game with.
A good deer-hunting rifle would probably be more effective than the "assault weapon" you seem to be concerned about.
If people were aiming their guns at other people without a clear (legal) reason for doing so, I'd like to see those people brought to justice. Not sure if that's federal agents, "civilians," both, or neither at this point.
(And I'm also not even really sure that pointing a gun at someone, if they don't see it, is a crime. Reckless endangerment perhaps?)
Obviously LEO's have legal reasons to point guns at people, but that doesn't mean that it's lawful in all circumstances.
Why aren't these whack jobs in jail for interfering with a peace officer? I don't know--did it ever occur to you that the government may realize that attempting to prosecute the "whack jobs" may cause some problems? For example, maybe the "whack jobs" aren't in fact guilty. Or (more likely, IMHO), the government realized that prosecuting the whack jobs would likely expose things that the government would not like exposed (perhaps crimes committed by the government and its agents, perhaps just bullying behavior that may in fact be legal, but would lead to criticism).
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