Rancher +Militia vs BLM,trouble on the range.(OT)

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crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Apr 19, 2014 - 11:51pm PT
None of your arguments have any merit, Ron, if you value the law, which it appears you do not.
crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Apr 19, 2014 - 11:54pm PT
The public lands livestock grazing program uses approximately 250 million acres of the arid west, with permitted users paying a pittance to the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) or the Forest Service for the privilege to do so. And it is truly a pittance. When Bundy stopped paying BLM in 1993, he owed just $1.86 per animal unit month for his mama cows, or $3,348 to use the land year-round. But Bundy refused to pay the fees because he didn’t want to reduce his herd to just 150 animals in order to help save the Mojave desert tortoise, a species given an emergency Endangered Species Act listing, and whose existence is specifically threatened by livestock competition for scarce desert vegetation and direct crushing and trampling of tortoise burrows. Bundy’s non-payment of fees was coupled with non-cooperation about getting his cows off the range. Since 1993, Bundy’s herd has ranged from 550 to more than 900 animals, far more than he was ever legally permitted. His cows have roamed over a much broader area than he was ever legally allowed to use. Without accounting for the legal expenses incurred by BLM and the costs of last week’s failed roundup, Bundy has since racked up a million dollar bill for overdue fees, trespass fees, and fines.

As Bundy musters up an army of supporters for this theft from the American public and the harm to the public lands, taxpayers lose at least $123 million each year that the federal grazing program continues. According to the Government Accountability Office, in 2005, the grazing fee wasn’t nearly sufficient to cover the costs of managing public lands grazing, and we – you and me, but apparently not Mr. Bundy – subsidize the program with $1.2 billion every decade, not counting the additional costs of species recovery, range infrastructure, soil loss, weed infestations, increasing wildfires, and bacterial contamination of water supplies. Despite the efforts of Western Watersheds Project and others, the fee formula has never been revised.
fluffy

Trad climber
Colorado
Apr 20, 2014 - 12:09am PT
Well crankster, i thought well enough about the laws to put my life on the FIRING line. In front of a barrel aimed at me to kill me. That barrel failed.

lol

spin spin spin you talk in circles old man

crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Apr 20, 2014 - 12:10am PT
Get elected, change the law, whatever, Ron. But don't try to justify the armed overthrow of the U S government like some lunatic.
crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Apr 20, 2014 - 12:11am PT
Reason 624 you should never watch Fox...
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 20, 2014 - 12:22am PT
So far the only thing I have learned on this thread is that Ron is pretty much just like the Lone Ranger, only dumber.

Or explain to me why the BLM was destroying the water improvements on the grazing allotment

Could it be that they were illegal? Like when they destroy the drip irrigation systems for pot growers.
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Apr 20, 2014 - 12:40am PT
More information on the fact that only paranoid nut-cases like Ron Anderson, bluering, TGT, and the evil folks at Fox News, that build support for right-wing, gun-crazy, government-hating nut-cases: are still supporting Rancher Bundy.

The Conservative Newspaper, The Twin Falls, Idaho, Times News has this editorial opinion.
http://magicvalley.com/news/opinion/editorial/our-view-cheers-and-jeers/article_66e4cbea-9ddf-59c0-8bbe-20ba835711e1.html



Our View: Cheers and Jeers
16 hours ago • By Times-News Editorial Board
(6) Comments
CHEERS

A resounding cheers to the life of rancher Leonard “Bud” Purdy, who died this week at his home in Picabo, Idaho..
The 96-year-old rancher was at the forefront of sustainable ranching techniques, headed the University of Idaho Foundation for a time and palled around with the likes of Ernest Hemingway.
Purdy is one of those seminal individuals whose legacy will live on for decades. He will be missed.

JEERS

Jeers to unjustified, dangerous anger.

Gun-toting “militia” swarmed Nevada rancher Clive Bundy last week after Bureau of Land Management officials began rounding up his cattle grazing on public land. Bundy has racked up a $1 million bill over the years by refusing to pay the federal government the feeble per-cow/calf grazing rate. The two sides pointed guns at each other for days.
Some saw BLM’s move as another assault on liberty by an overreaching government. But, in reality, it was bureaucrats looking to treat everyone the same.


atchafalaya

Boulder climber
Apr 20, 2014 - 12:51am PT
Save the sage grouse! So Ron's dumb ass can shoot them.
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Apr 20, 2014 - 01:02am PT
Ron? Re your reply:

Fritz,, you failed to mention Gov Sandoval, Congressman Amodei, The entire NV legislature and Senator Heller. And today we sold about 31 guns ! Ohh lordy the horror..And we almost ran out of 9mm ammo. YOWZA!

ps, i havent seen a fox news show in perhaps a decade. But you ramble on..


Sigh! It is a good thing that your first name isn't Pinocchio!

It's OK though, you & your folks have to build legends about your lies.

dirtbag

climber
Apr 20, 2014 - 02:26am PT
You know what this thread is missing?











































































The only thing this thread is missing?














































































Lois.
John M

climber
Apr 20, 2014 - 02:30am PT
L Ron EBbard

Founder of the church of Scatology


sorry ron.. couldn't resist.. heh heh
Tony

Trad climber
Pt. Richmond, CA
Apr 20, 2014 - 02:36am PT
bird that isnt even close to endangered.

A decline in Sage Grouse population from 16 million to 200-500,000, or 97-99% is not threatened? Are you kidding??
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Apr 20, 2014 - 06:00am PT
Ron is showing himself to be such a staunch defender of the environment one wonders if he will be joining the ranks of ELF.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Liberation_Front


The ELF was classified as the top "domestic terror" threat in the United States by the Federal Bureau of Investigation in March 2001,[8][9] and its members are categorized as "eco-terrorists".[

Eco-terrorists really?
They must have cut down those trees them selves to protest the Tyranny of da Gubmint.

Of course Ron's Brigade could be cast as eCOW-terrorists.
jonnyrig

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Apr 20, 2014 - 09:20am PT
Wheres the outrage and the armed militia support over this?

https://www.courthousenews.com/2013/07/03/59061.htm

Same state, better case than Bundy,s BS, IMHO.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Apr 20, 2014 - 10:01am PT
It's almost as if people act in outrage based on the presentation of a select set of facts instead of looking to get as much information as possible.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 20, 2014 - 10:58am PT
You see i dont use google to find that out, but rather am out there along with my fellow Nevadans to actually see for themselves

hahahaaa... unquantified subjective experiences, the basis of all that is Right and good in the world.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Apr 20, 2014 - 10:59am PT
Well Ron I took your advice and Googled "Ron's Ass" and this is what I got.
What "other words" do you suggest I use to Google Ron's Ass?

rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Apr 20, 2014 - 11:10am PT
Locker..thanks for the reminder...I'm going climbing as soon as i get the sand out from between my toe...
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Apr 20, 2014 - 11:21am PT
Ron...Tempting offer...Do you have any M-50 clips...I'm mpunting one in the back of my 64 El Rancho and heading to Columbia to join the Revolutiones...rj
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Apr 20, 2014 - 11:25am PT
Ron..Is the 20% discount include bow staffs...? rj
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