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crankster
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Apr 19, 2014 - 11:51pm PT
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None of your arguments have any merit, Ron, if you value the law, which it appears you do not.
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crankster
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Apr 19, 2014 - 11:54pm PT
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The public lands livestock grazing program uses approximately 250 million acres of the arid west, with permitted users paying a pittance to the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) or the Forest Service for the privilege to do so. And it is truly a pittance. When Bundy stopped paying BLM in 1993, he owed just $1.86 per animal unit month for his mama cows, or $3,348 to use the land year-round. But Bundy refused to pay the fees because he didn’t want to reduce his herd to just 150 animals in order to help save the Mojave desert tortoise, a species given an emergency Endangered Species Act listing, and whose existence is specifically threatened by livestock competition for scarce desert vegetation and direct crushing and trampling of tortoise burrows. Bundy’s non-payment of fees was coupled with non-cooperation about getting his cows off the range. Since 1993, Bundy’s herd has ranged from 550 to more than 900 animals, far more than he was ever legally permitted. His cows have roamed over a much broader area than he was ever legally allowed to use. Without accounting for the legal expenses incurred by BLM and the costs of last week’s failed roundup, Bundy has since racked up a million dollar bill for overdue fees, trespass fees, and fines.
As Bundy musters up an army of supporters for this theft from the American public and the harm to the public lands, taxpayers lose at least $123 million each year that the federal grazing program continues. According to the Government Accountability Office, in 2005, the grazing fee wasn’t nearly sufficient to cover the costs of managing public lands grazing, and we – you and me, but apparently not Mr. Bundy – subsidize the program with $1.2 billion every decade, not counting the additional costs of species recovery, range infrastructure, soil loss, weed infestations, increasing wildfires, and bacterial contamination of water supplies. Despite the efforts of Western Watersheds Project and others, the fee formula has never been revised.
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fluffy
Trad climber
Colorado
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Apr 20, 2014 - 12:09am PT
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Well crankster, i thought well enough about the laws to put my life on the FIRING line. In front of a barrel aimed at me to kill me. That barrel failed.
lol
spin spin spin you talk in circles old man
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crankster
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Apr 20, 2014 - 12:10am PT
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Get elected, change the law, whatever, Ron. But don't try to justify the armed overthrow of the U S government like some lunatic.
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crankster
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Apr 20, 2014 - 12:11am PT
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Reason 624 you should never watch Fox...
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Apr 20, 2014 - 12:22am PT
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So far the only thing I have learned on this thread is that Ron is pretty much just like the Lone Ranger, only dumber.
Or explain to me why the BLM was destroying the water improvements on the grazing allotment
Could it be that they were illegal? Like when they destroy the drip irrigation systems for pot growers.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Apr 20, 2014 - 12:40am PT
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More information on the fact that only paranoid nut-cases like Ron Anderson, bluering, TGT, and the evil folks at Fox News, that build support for right-wing, gun-crazy, government-hating nut-cases: are still supporting Rancher Bundy.
The Conservative Newspaper, The Twin Falls, Idaho, Times News has this editorial opinion.
http://magicvalley.com/news/opinion/editorial/our-view-cheers-and-jeers/article_66e4cbea-9ddf-59c0-8bbe-20ba835711e1.html
Our View: Cheers and Jeers
16 hours ago • By Times-News Editorial Board
(6) Comments
CHEERS
A resounding cheers to the life of rancher Leonard “Bud” Purdy, who died this week at his home in Picabo, Idaho..
The 96-year-old rancher was at the forefront of sustainable ranching techniques, headed the University of Idaho Foundation for a time and palled around with the likes of Ernest Hemingway.
Purdy is one of those seminal individuals whose legacy will live on for decades. He will be missed.
JEERS
Jeers to unjustified, dangerous anger.
Gun-toting “militia” swarmed Nevada rancher Clive Bundy last week after Bureau of Land Management officials began rounding up his cattle grazing on public land. Bundy has racked up a $1 million bill over the years by refusing to pay the federal government the feeble per-cow/calf grazing rate. The two sides pointed guns at each other for days.
Some saw BLM’s move as another assault on liberty by an overreaching government. But, in reality, it was bureaucrats looking to treat everyone the same.
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atchafalaya
Boulder climber
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Apr 20, 2014 - 12:51am PT
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Save the sage grouse! So Ron's dumb ass can shoot them.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Apr 20, 2014 - 01:02am PT
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Ron? Re your reply:
Fritz,, you failed to mention Gov Sandoval, Congressman Amodei, The entire NV legislature and Senator Heller. And today we sold about 31 guns ! Ohh lordy the horror..And we almost ran out of 9mm ammo. YOWZA!
ps, i havent seen a fox news show in perhaps a decade. But you ramble on..
Sigh! It is a good thing that your first name isn't Pinocchio!
It's OK though, you & your folks have to build legends about your lies.
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dirtbag
climber
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Apr 20, 2014 - 02:26am PT
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You know what this thread is missing?
The only thing this thread is missing?
Lois.
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John M
climber
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Apr 20, 2014 - 02:30am PT
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L Ron EBbard
Founder of the church of Scatology
sorry ron.. couldn't resist.. heh heh
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Tony
Trad climber
Pt. Richmond, CA
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Apr 20, 2014 - 02:36am PT
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bird that isnt even close to endangered.
A decline in Sage Grouse population from 16 million to 200-500,000, or 97-99% is not threatened? Are you kidding??
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 20, 2014 - 06:00am PT
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Ron is showing himself to be such a staunch defender of the environment one wonders if he will be joining the ranks of ELF.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Liberation_Front
The ELF was classified as the top "domestic terror" threat in the United States by the Federal Bureau of Investigation in March 2001,[8][9] and its members are categorized as "eco-terrorists".[
Eco-terrorists really?
They must have cut down those trees them selves to protest the Tyranny of da Gubmint.
Of course Ron's Brigade could be cast as eCOW-terrorists.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Apr 20, 2014 - 10:01am PT
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It's almost as if people act in outrage based on the presentation of a select set of facts instead of looking to get as much information as possible.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Apr 20, 2014 - 10:58am PT
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You see i dont use google to find that out, but rather am out there along with my fellow Nevadans to actually see for themselves
hahahaaa... unquantified subjective experiences, the basis of all that is Right and good in the world.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 20, 2014 - 10:59am PT
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Well Ron I took your advice and Googled "Ron's Ass" and this is what I got.
What "other words" do you suggest I use to Google Ron's Ass?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Apr 20, 2014 - 11:10am PT
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Locker..thanks for the reminder...I'm going climbing as soon as i get the sand out from between my toe...
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Apr 20, 2014 - 11:21am PT
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Ron...Tempting offer...Do you have any M-50 clips...I'm mpunting one in the back of my 64 El Rancho and heading to Columbia to join the Revolutiones...rj
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Apr 20, 2014 - 11:25am PT
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Ron..Is the 20% discount include bow staffs...? rj
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