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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujo de la Playa
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Apr 19, 2014 - 07:04pm PT
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Why aren't the cowboys paid not to raise cows, just like everybody else riding the gravy train.
Farmers
Once-upon-a-time military who never saw action
Oil companies
Marijuana researchers
CongressmenORwomen
Senators
IRS "agents'
The Bush Family
Obama
"Homeland" Security [sic] ridealongs
Po-licemenORwomen
WallStreet Misadventure Capitalists
Too Big to Fail Mind-your-own-businessmen
The Masters of War
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 19, 2014 - 07:19pm PT
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zBrown
Norton
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Apr 19, 2014 - 07:24pm PT
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 19, 2014 - 07:26pm PT
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I do declare that TeaGeeTea is the sole ST poster that I would not care to share a brew with.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 19, 2014 - 07:29pm PT
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Philo, don't limit yer world so narrowly, you might be pleasantly surprised.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 19, 2014 - 07:32pm PT
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Really Reilly?
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Apr 19, 2014 - 07:36pm PT
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Norton, I take back what I said about Ron... lost cause that one.
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John M
climber
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Apr 19, 2014 - 07:41pm PT
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We need to start a supertopo militia.
Who should be our leader?
neebee
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Apr 19, 2014 - 07:44pm PT
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who should be our leader?
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 19, 2014 - 07:46pm PT
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^^^OMG somebody help!
It's a man being eaten by a Tribble.
Can the sidewall be dialed back a bit?
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 19, 2014 - 08:00pm PT
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Anonymous coward running their mouths.
What are you gonna do weirdo?
Show up and tell them with your stupid mask and cape on?
You're insane .....
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 19, 2014 - 08:09pm PT
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Werner, Got literacy?
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Apr 19, 2014 - 08:59pm PT
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Ballo asks: …and there is a fee because?
I believe that question has been answered, but although I think grazing fees now go back into the U.S. Treasury, the BLM (Bureau of Livestock & Mining) due to their traditional favoritism to resource exploiters) always used grazing fees for what they termed: "range improvement."
"Range Improvement" included roads for rancher access, improvement of waterholes, building check dams to hold water for livestock, and fences to reduce overgrazing on certain livestock allotments.
Those improvements usually added up to way more money than grazing fees supplied on shist desert lands like those Bundy has been not paying fees on for the last 20+ years.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Apr 19, 2014 - 09:38pm PT
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improvement of waterholes,
My rancher friend has to maintain his own wells on his NF lease. An important cost of doing business.
Bad roads are a good excuse for him to buy 4WDs.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 19, 2014 - 09:41pm PT
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2001 an OhCOWpie MOOvement space odyessy.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Apr 19, 2014 - 10:38pm PT
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Since it appears that many folks posting here, don't have a clue about what the BLM does to promote LEGAL grazing on public lands, here is their statement on the subject.
http://www.blm.gov/wo/st/en/prog/grazing.html
Fact Sheet on the BLM’s Management of Livestock Grazing
Grazing on Public Lands
The Bureau of Land Management, which administers about 245 million acres of public lands, manages livestock grazing on 155 million acres of those lands, as guided by Federal law. The terms and conditions for grazing on BLM-managed lands (such as stipulations on forage use and season of use) are set forth in the permits and leases issued by the Bureau to public land ranchers.
The BLM administers nearly 18,000 permits and leases held by ranchers who graze their livestock, mostly cattle and sheep, at least part of the year on more than 21,000 allotments under BLM management. Permits and leases generally cover a 10-year period and are renewable if the BLM determines that the terms and conditions of the expiring permit or lease are being met. The amount of grazing that takes place each year on BLM-managed lands can be affected by such factors as drought, wildfire, and market conditions.
In managing livestock grazing on public rangelands, the BLM’s overall objective is to ensure the long-term health and productivity of these lands and to create multiple environmental benefits that result from healthy watersheds. The Bureau administers public land ranching in accordance with the Taylor Grazing Act of 1934, and in so doing provides livestock-based economic opportunities in rural communities while contributing to the West’s, and America’s, social fabric and identity. Together, public lands and the adjacent private ranches maintain open spaces in the fast-growing West, provide habitat for wildlife, offer a myriad of recreational opportunities for public land users, and help preserve the character of the rural West.
A Brief History of Public Lands Grazing
During the era of homesteading, Western public rangelands were often overgrazed because of policies designed to promote the settlement of the West and a lack of understanding of these arid ecosystems. In response to requests from Western ranchers, Congress passed the Taylor Grazing Act of 1934 (named after Rep. Edward Taylor of Colorado), which led to the creation of grazing districts in which grazing use was apportioned and regulated. Under the Taylor Grazing Act, the first grazing district to be established was Wyoming Grazing District Number 1 on March 23, 1935. Secretary of the Interior Harold Ickes created a Division of Grazing within the Department to administer the grazing districts; this division later became the U.S. Grazing Service and was headquartered in Salt Lake City. In 1946, as a result of a government reorganization by the Truman Administration, the Grazing Service was merged with the General Land Office to become the Bureau of Land Management.
The unregulated grazing that took place before enactment of the Taylor Grazing Act caused unintended damage to soil, plants, streams, and springs. As a result, grazing management was initially designed to increase productivity and reduce soil erosion by controlling grazing through both fencing and water projects and by conducting forage surveys to balance forage demands with the land’s productivity (“carrying capacity”).
These initial improvements in livestock management, which arrested the degradation of public rangelands while improving watersheds, were appropriate for the times. But by the 1960s and 1970s, public appreciation for public lands and expectations for their management rose to a new level, as made clear by congressional passage of such laws as the National Environmental Policy Act of 1969, the Endangered Species Act of 1973, and the Federal Land Policy and Management Act of 1976. Consequently, the BLM moved from managing grazing in general to better management or protection of specific rangeland resources, such as riparian areas, threatened and endangered species, sensitive plant species, and cultural or historical objects. Consistent with this enhanced role, the Bureau developed or modified the terms and conditions of grazing permits and leases and implemented new range improvement projects to address these specific resource issues, promoting continued improvement of public rangeland conditions.
Current Management of Public Lands Grazing
Today the BLM manages livestock grazing in a manner aimed at achieving and maintaining public land health. To achieve desired conditions, the agency uses rangeland health standards and guidelines, which the BLM developed in the 1990s with input from citizen-based Resource Advisory Councils across the West. Standards describe specific conditions needed for public land health, such as the presence of streambank vegetation and adequate canopy and ground cover. Guidelines are the management techniques designed to achieve or maintain healthy public lands, as defined by the standards. These techniques include such methods as seed dissemination and periodic rest or deferment from grazing in specific allotments during critical growth periods.
Legal Mandates relating to Public Lands Grazing
Laws that apply to the BLM’s management of public lands grazing include the Taylor Grazing Act of 1934, the National Environmental Policy Act of 1969, the Endangered Species Act of 1973, the Federal Land Policy and Management Act of 1976, and the Public Rangelands Improvement Act of 1978.
Federal Grazing Fee
The Federal grazing fee, which applies to Federal lands in 16 Western states on public lands managed by the BLM and the U.S. Forest Service, is adjusted annually and is calculated by using a formula originally set by Congress in the Public Rangelands Improvement Act of 1978. Under this formula, as modified and extended by a presidential Executive Order issued in 1986, the grazing fee cannot fall below $1.35 per animal unit month (AUM); also, any fee increase or decrease cannot exceed 25 percent of the previous year’s level. (An AUM is the amount of forage needed to sustain one cow and her calf, one horse, or five sheep or goats for a month.) The grazing fee for 2014 is $1.35 per AUM, the same level as it was in 2013.
The Federal grazing fee is computed by using a 1966 base value of $1.23 per AUM for livestock grazing on public lands in Western states. The figure is then adjusted each year according to three factors – current private grazing land lease rates, beef cattle prices, and the cost of livestock production. In effect, the fee rises, falls, or stays the same based on market conditions, with livestock operators paying more when conditions are better and less when conditions have declined.
Number of Livestock on BLM-managed Lands
The Bureau does not make an annual national “count” of the livestock that graze on BLM-managed lands because the actual number of livestock grazing on public lands on any single day varies throughout the year and livestock are often moved from one grazing allotment to another. So an aggregate head count would provide very little information on overall livestock use. Instead, the BLM compiles information on the number of AUMs used each year, which takes into account both the number of livestock and the amount of time they spend on public lands. (For the definition of an AUM, see previous section.) Over time there has been a gradual decrease in the amount of grazing that takes place on BLM-managed land, and that trend continues today. Grazing use on public lands has declined from 18.2 million AUMs in 1954 to 7.9 million AUMs in 2013. In most years, the actual use of forage is less than the amount authorized because forage amounts and demands depend on several factors, such as drought, wildfire, and market conditions, as noted earlier regarding annual public land grazing levels.
Grazing Permit System
Any U.S. citizen or validly licensed business can apply for a BLM grazing permit or lease. To do so, one must either:
• buy or control private property (known as “base property”) that has been legally recognized by the Bureau as having preference for the use of public land grazing privileges,
• or acquire property that has the capability to serve as base property and then apply to the BLM to transfer the preference for grazing privileges from an existing base property to the acquired property (which would become the new “base property”).
The first alternative happens when base property (a private ranch) is sold or leased to a new individual or business; the buyer or lessee then applies to the BLM for the use of grazing privileges associated with that property. The second alternative would happen when a rancher wants to transfer existing public land grazing privileges to another party while keeping the private ranch property. Before buying or leasing ranch property, it is advisable to contact the BLM Field Office that administers grazing in the area of the base property. The BLM has information on the status of the grazing privileges attached to the base property, including the terms and conditions of the associated grazing permit or lease that authorizes the use of those privileges and other important information. All applicants for grazing permits or leases must meet the qualifications for public land grazing privileges that are specified in the BLM’s grazing regulations.
The Role of Livestock Grazing on Public Lands Today
Grazing, which was one of the earliest uses of public lands when the West was settled, continues to be an important use of those same lands today. Livestock grazing now competes with more uses than it did in the past, as other industries and the general public look to the public lands as sources of both conventional and renewable energy and as places for outdoor recreational opportunities, including off-highway vehicle use. Among the key issues that face public land managers today are global climate change, severe wildfires, invasive plant species, and dramatic population increases, including the associated rural residential development that is occurring throughout the West.
Livestock grazing can result in impacts on public land resources, but well-managed grazing provides numerous environmental benefits as well. For example, while livestock grazing can lead to increases in some invasive species, well-managed grazing can be used to manage vegetation. Intensively managed “targeted” grazing can control some invasive plant species or reduce the fuels that contribute to severe wildfires. Besides providing such traditional products as meat and fiber, well-managed rangelands and other private ranch lands support healthy watersheds, carbon sequestration, recreational opportunities, and wildlife habitat. Livestock grazing on public lands helps maintain the private ranches that, in turn, preserve the open spaces that have helped write the West’s history and will continue to shape this region’s character in the years to come.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujo de la Playa
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Apr 19, 2014 - 11:17pm PT
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Since it appears that many folks posting here, don't have a clue about what the BLM does to promote LEGAL grazing on public lands, here is their statement on the subject.
Your point is well taken Fritz and I read the whole quote.
I think the issue here, however, is what is done to promote ILLEGAL grazing on public lands. Then by whom and by what means.
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jonnyrig
Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
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Apr 19, 2014 - 11:32pm PT
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If you,re going to be willing to stand up and take arms against the feds, you maybe should pick a cause that stands a chance of winning.
Effectively, these dudes are going to bring a new cry for gun control, and Bundy will fade out of the media spotlight and into obscurity soon after losing another round.
I keep asking over in the gun threads- where,s that line that determines when your government becomes tyranical and you are justified to open fire on them?
Seems some people think we,re getting close. God I hope they,re wrong. This isnt it. Not even the nevada cattle ranchers club will truly back him. So cue the armed militia...?
This is not to say things dont need changing. I too have followed herds of sheep. And cows. And those prolific wild horses that mow down the flora which is vital to the native fauna.
Nobody cares though... Horses are cute, steaks should be cheap, and wool is the original, sustainable (?) smart fabric.
Let the states run it you say? Hell, old Reid would do us a fine job. As would the folks in comedyfornia. Keep that in mind.
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