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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 13, 2013 - 04:00pm PT
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So you think limiting access to new guns but allowing the current guns that are out there already (300mil) will fix anything?
No you fuking idiot. I never said that. Tens of thousands of guns are taken off the street every year. Of course that should be continued, and even ramped up. That, combined with stricter gun regulations that prevent Rong and others from engaging in straw purchases, reduce or eliminate the sale of assault rifles, and ensure new gun purchases are limited to sane people who have proven they can responsibly own guns would go a long way to reduce the number of guns in the hands of criminals and ultimately gun homicides in this country.
I have 60 patients a week I make an analogy between dental decay and bugs eating the Red Bull they drink and then peeing on their teeth and the patients get it.
Well, that isn't nearly as retarded as your other analogy.... hamburgers=guns.
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Jan 13, 2013 - 04:04pm PT
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Well, that isn't as retarded as your other analogy. Streptococcus Mutans metabolize carbohydrates and their waste product is acidic, cuts into mineralized matter (enamel) causing a cavity. What happens after YOU metabolize food? Pee maybe? you fuking idiot.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 13, 2013 - 04:08pm PT
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dude, tooth
that ISN'T as retarded as your other analogy.
Yeah, waste ~ pee, leads to tooth decay... they teach that in 1st grade.
Guns ~ fast food is fuking retarded.
You are a genius.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Jan 13, 2013 - 04:20pm PT
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And then you have the Switzerland and Mexico stories which are at total odds with your beliefs ME Christ.
But you clearly only have one thought and one opinion, rarely read others posts accurately if at all and are unable to deviate off your path. Don't know why I even bother....
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jan 13, 2013 - 04:33pm PT
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Well, the head of the NRA was on the Sunday talk shows today...
he expressed complete confidence that absolutely NO kind of gun legislation would be passed by this congress
He know that the $35 million given by the gun industry to members of congress for their reelection campaigns was money well spent
The NRA and Big Oil both know that to throw a lot of money at politicians just plain works
everyone can relax, no one is going to take your guns away, and yes you can continue to buy as many Bushmasters and 100 round clips as you like, have at it!
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Jan 13, 2013 - 04:45pm PT
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Yeah, Couchmaster. Let's do it the Swiss way. You won't mind keeping your assault weapon ammo in government depots like most, right?
Their gun laws are much stricter then our own.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jan 13, 2013 - 04:53pm PT
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No Joe, " all this" will not happen
No Joe, tens of millions of Americans will NOT turn in their guns, ever.
No Joe, this is NOT a god damn "social issue" where liberals end up winning.
This is NOT a social issue, this is not abortion, gay marriage, progressive income tax.
However, it is possible that someday a stacked US Supreme Court may differently interpret the Second Amendment to infer the founders did not mean "arms" to be rocket propelled grenades or miniature SCUDS, but don't hold your breath waiting.
Joe, WHY do you insist on framing this debate as a conservative versus liberal thing?
It is NOT
Myself and MANY other Democrat/liberals own lots of guns, believe we SHOULD be allowed them, and like the NRA membership think there is common ground for some reasonably more restrictive legislation like background checks at gun show and MAYBE private sales (huge step), clip round limitation like the Brady Law, and MAYBE some restrictions on NEW sales only of full scale military assault weapons.
Agreeing to the above does not make someone a "liberal" OR a "conservative"
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Jan 13, 2013 - 05:29pm PT
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But that doesn't fit the argument so let's just pretend it doesn't happen.
As a result, private gun sales stop, and private citizens are given a grace period to turn in their guns.
Just keep telling yourself that. The voices in your head are leaking out.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 13, 2013 - 05:32pm PT
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Private sellers are not required to do background checks, inside or outside of a gun show. THAT should be stopped, inside and outside gun shows. Gun ownership should be tracked through serial numbers, just like car sales are tracked through VIN's.
Of course I know you will argue it shouldn't be stopped because you are clearly a supporter of straw sales.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jan 13, 2013 - 05:33pm PT
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Ron, I guess you do not know "private" sales at gun shows in addition to certain other kinds of sales are fully legal, do not require any back ground checks?
Presently, 17 states regulate private firearm sales at gun shows. Seven states require background checks on all gun sales at gun shows (California, Rhode Island, Connecticut, Oregon, New York, Illinois and Colorado). Four states (Hawaii, Maryland, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania) require background checks on all handgun, but not long gun, purchasers at gun shows. Six states require individuals to obtain a permit to purchase handguns that involves a background check (Massachusetts, Michigan, North Carolina, Iowa, Nebraska). Certain counties in Florida require background checks on all private sales of handguns at gun shows. The remaining 33 states do not restrict private, intrastate sales of firearms at gun shows in any manner.[16][17]
AGAIN:
The remaining 33 states do not restrict private, intrastate sales of firearms at gun shows in any manner.[16][17]
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Jan 13, 2013 - 05:36pm PT
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Private sales and unlicensed dealers at shows don't do background checks.
If you've been to a gun show, you know that people walk around with for sale signs on their gear.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Jan 13, 2013 - 05:36pm PT
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if yopu sell more than 5 guns a tear you Must have an FFL i can't imagin that anyone who could afford a table at a gun show would be under 5 guns a year. the only show that i went to the sherrifs were manning the door and it seemed pretty regulated?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jan 13, 2013 - 05:41pm PT
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Monolith,
In California, background checks are done at gun shows, and are required of private sales, too.
The one exception is a straight-line transfer ( I don't remember the exact term ) where the gun is transfered straight from parent to offspring and the other way around.
Even two brothers have to work through a licensed dealer to legally transfer a gun in CA.
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Jan 13, 2013 - 05:43pm PT
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That's California Chaz. Quite few states allow unlicensed vendors and private sales at gun shows. No background check required.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jan 13, 2013 - 05:44pm PT
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Let those states change their laws.
I doubt the folks in Oregon or Washington would enjoy being told by Californians how they should run their affairs.
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Jan 13, 2013 - 05:48pm PT
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And they will toughen their laws, because they see it works in CA. You can see proposed legislation in a number of states now to close the huge loopholes.
A huge amount of sales at gun shows go without background checks nationwide.
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Jan 13, 2013 - 05:51pm PT
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The average number of people shot in a mass shooting event when the shooter is stopped by law enforcement: 14. The average number of people shot in a mass shooting event when the shooter is stopped by civilians: 2.5.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jan 13, 2013 - 05:53pm PT
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I dunno, Monolith.
The only shitholes worse than Oakland, San Bernardino, and Stockton are all located in places where the gun laws are even tougher ( like DC and Chicago ).
Maybe more laws aren't the answer you're looking for.
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