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mucci
Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
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Jul 27, 2011 - 01:02pm PT
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**Mucci, full ones as well.
So now some as#@&%e is gonna blame me for that too?**
Full ones seems sacreligious for that team.
You were not mentioned, at any time.
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Meaty
climber
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Jul 27, 2011 - 01:06pm PT
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Yeah, I was not mentioned. But some of these dweebs here are all about pushing buttons and would love to make more false claims.
Yes, full ones. They told me all about it.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jul 27, 2011 - 02:07pm PT
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You don't know about the folks arrested and prosecuted in Federal court in Fresno for vandalizing my vehicle over ethics, do you? One just happens to post here all the time. I've had more bolts chopped in Yosemite than anyone else.
Federal court is how things are settled face-to-face in the Valley?
And such an angry defense in the face of patently false accusations? Well, then one can only marvel at how restrained the WoS team has been and so much for empathy...
Bottom line is the treatment these guys received beyond the verbal was vindictive and cowardly and for there to be a hundred posts thirty years later that all say "you'd be surprised..." simply shines light on that fact. At least Robbins had the balls to climb Harding's line and back up the sh#t talk.
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Meaty
climber
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Jul 27, 2011 - 02:12pm PT
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healyje.
You don't have a clue, these three, one to later become LE in the Valley, were caught vandalizing, turned in by climbers from the UK that observed their crime. Unlike Robbins, I didn't chop any bolts on El Cap, so blather on with your nonsense and be a foolish chump.
And yes, moron, you'd be surprised who those three cowards are, one of them posts here regularly.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jul 27, 2011 - 02:35pm PT
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Like I said, a class display of empathy...and some real Shirleys still in the closet thirty years later.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Jul 27, 2011 - 03:09pm PT
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"... you'd be surprised who those three cowards are, one of them posts here regularly."
We *love* surprises!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 27, 2011 - 03:11pm PT
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when you got up and came out of your tense so early making that fuss
Did they come out of the past progressive into the past perfect?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jul 27, 2011 - 03:13pm PT
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And yes, moron, you'd be surprised who those three cowards are, one of them posts here regularly.
And hard to figure which is more cowardly - that they did it then or that they don't have the balls to own it now.
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Off White
climber
Tenino, WA
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Jul 27, 2011 - 04:02pm PT
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Throwing full cans of beer is much more serious than pooping on ropes. How is that different from trundling rocks on someone on purpose?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jul 27, 2011 - 04:06pm PT
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die, thread. die.
Glad to see you're still with us to cheer on the debate - I was beginning to wonder...
All I can say is who cares? Some guys drilled a big bolt and hook ladder up a horrible line, and somebody crapped on their ropes.
The choice of line was theirs to make - horrible or otherwise - just like it was Harding's. Don't like their choice and want to give them some sh#t about it? Cool. But to do more than that, and do it under the cover of darkness? Low and cowardly no matter which way you look at it then or now.
No doubt if I'd done anything like that I'd probably want it to simply slither away under a rock as well. God forbid someone's rep might look simply human in hindsight.
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Slakkey
Big Wall climber
From Back to Big Wall Baby
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Jul 27, 2011 - 04:27pm PT
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This thread is like a Bad case of The Runs
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Mark Hudon
Trad climber
Hood River, OR
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Jul 27, 2011 - 04:30pm PT
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This thread is like a really funny looking dog chasing its tail!
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Jul 27, 2011 - 04:34pm PT
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"Some guys drilled a big bolt and hook ladder up a horrible line..."
Whoah, whoah, WHOAH. You gotta be sh|ttin' me.
How are fifty-foot falls, dislocated shoulders, and firsthand observations to the contrary in any way consistent with this formerly accepted "truth"?
Coz, do you really still believe WoS is a drilled bolt and hook ladder? Please tell me you're just yanking my zipline.
[You can say what you want about the line, however. No argument there.]
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Mark Hudon
Trad climber
Hood River, OR
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Jul 27, 2011 - 04:35pm PT
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This thread is like when you're out walking your dog for miles and miles and he keeps on pissing on every tree or fire hydrant he comes across! He never runs out of piss!
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TwistedCrank
climber
Ideeho-dee-do-dah-day boom-chicka-boom-chicka-boom
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Jul 27, 2011 - 04:37pm PT
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The morbid curiousity this thread creates is beyond the pale.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jul 27, 2011 - 04:43pm PT
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This kind of thread is the main kind of on-topic thread that has legs and examines ourselves and serious aspects of ourselves and our sport's history.
Don't like it? I'll tell some some of my political beefs...
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Rudder
Trad climber
Long Beach, CA
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Jul 27, 2011 - 04:46pm PT
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Some guys drilled a big bolt and hook ladder up a horrible line, and somebody crapped on their ropes.
From my arm chair that's what I've always thought, but have posted a bit less direct. I've said I just can't see where it is such classic climbing that it's just a "must do". Best case scenario it still qualifies as a manufactured climb as it is all hooking... so the manufacturing is how many hooks between how risky of fixed protection. That's something you make up, not something that is there. I'm sure the FA team knew they couldn't get away with installing a solid bolt every 15' and hook inbetween all the way to the top. They had to manufacture the risk by way of the type of fixed protection they used to make the route have some kind of merit... at least to themselves. Now this is all conjecture, but what are discussion forums for? lol
All I can say is who cares?
Yeah, maybe no one should now. But, I believe the line had to be contested at the time it went up. A "big bolt and hook ladder up a horrible line" as you call it... next to absolutely all world classic climbs in an all world classic place... just had to be questioned. Just as many other dubious and otherwise curious climbs had been before and even new ones are today. Noticed I said "questioned"... there are no P's in questioned... so no poop... monkeys throw poop, we're suppose to have evolved to a higher sophistication level than that... or at least that's what Richard Dawkins said.
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