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WBraun
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Jul 26, 2011 - 01:46pm PT
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MSmith
But the connection to YOSAR is undeniable.
The sar site is the living quarters for the climbers who are PART of the Yosemite Search & Rescue team that is actually run by protection division of the park.
Protection division is Yosemite National Park Law Enforcement and Yosar is that branch.
The sar site is the housing area of the volunteer climbers who are hired as incidents happen and when their services are required at the time. Since they have operational training by the park they get first priority to help on missions.
YOSAR is the branch for initiating all Search & Rescue operations by Law Enforcement which is labeled under Protection Division.
Get straight now.
Some guys in the housing area heckled and yelled at you from there is NOT YOSAR.
And you're right I had no clue of the night this heckling and yelling was going on until reading here.
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Meaty
climber
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Jul 26, 2011 - 01:52pm PT
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Werner, his claim that he was heckled from the SAR site is pure hogwash to begin with, complete bulltripe.
Just another victim card played by a couple of losers.
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Human Pack Mule
Big Wall climber
Southern California
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Jul 26, 2011 - 03:06pm PT
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Yosar is Yosemite National Park Service Search & Rescue.
Some members of that team had opinions as climbers independent of YOSAR.
I am aware of what the acronym stands for, though I appreciate the information.
The National Park Service is a branch of the US Department of The Interior which makes it an office of the executive branch of the United States government.
"Each employee* has a responsibility to the United States Government and its citizens to place loyalty to the Constitution, laws and ethical principles above private gain. To ensure that every citizen can have complete confidence in the integrity of the Federal Government, employees shall endeavor to avoid any actions creating the appearance that they are violating the law or the ethical standards set forth."
I am sure you can see where I am going with this (since I am quoting from the code of conduct handbook), but let me be real clear...
"Status as an employee is unaffected by pay or leave status or by the fact that the individual does not perform official duties on a given day."
If they did not want their opinions and thoughts to be associated with YOSAR, then they should have kept those thoughts and opinions to themselves, or quit that organization.
Like it or not, as members of that organization, their thoughts, actions, and opinions reflected directly and poorly on themselves and the organization at the time. As long as whomever was responsible is not there any longer, then there is no reason for anyone to believe that YOSAR is not one of the finest SAR teams in the country/world.
Just because someone is a member of a government organization doesn't mean they are not responsible for what went on, in one way or another. Did anyone in YOSAR ask around and see what was going on? Of course not, they knew, but they didn't do anything to stop it. And that, to me, is tantamount to them going up and personally cutting ropes or defecating on gear.
Valiant effort, indeed.
Pete: My schedule likely will not allow a trip to the valley this fall. If that changes, I'll let you know.
*defined as anyone who works, volunteers, or otherwise has an official duty or capacity with the organization/government.
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Meaty
climber
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Jul 26, 2011 - 03:13pm PT
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Mr.Mule,
The climbers on the SAR site are not government employees so you're wrong on ALL counts.
You and so many others here have absolutely no clue what went on because you weren't there, so quit the speculative postulations, thank you.
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Human Pack Mule
Big Wall climber
Southern California
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Jul 26, 2011 - 03:19pm PT
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Mr. Meaty,
Your information directly contradicts what I quoted and what was repeated by WBraun.
The sar site is the living quarters for the climbers who are PART of the Yosemite Search & Rescue team that is actually run by protection division of the park.
Protection division is Yosemite National Park Law Enforcement and Yosar is that branch.
The sar site is the housing area of the volunteer climbers who are hired as incidents happen and when their services are required at the time. Since they have operational training by the park they get first priority to help on missions.
YOSAR is the branch for initiating all Search & Rescue operations by Law Enforcement which is labeled under Protection Division.
Get straight now.
And if you read by *'d note, it includes volunteers in its definition of "employee".
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WBraun
climber
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Jul 26, 2011 - 03:33pm PT
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They are only employees when actually hired for a mission.
If there is no SAR or rescue they are not employees at that time.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Jul 26, 2011 - 03:35pm PT
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"You and so many others here have absolutely no clue what went on because you weren't there, so quit the speculative postulations, thank you."
Dimitri, you're right. But we'd sure love to know! Why don't you tell us?!
Seriously. It would be great to hear from you about what happened. Everyone should have his say. We've heard Richard and Mark ranting at length, so why can't it be your turn now?
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WBraun
climber
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Jul 26, 2011 - 03:41pm PT
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If one really wants to make an accusation then the proper label would be the "The Valley SAR site" in Camp 4 .....
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Meaty
climber
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Jul 26, 2011 - 03:42pm PT
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PTPP, sure, after you post here on this forum who EXACTLY keeps telling you I was one of the shitters. I got your e-mail, so let it fly! You say my name keeps coming up, well who keeps repeating that lie?
Crickets!!??
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jul 26, 2011 - 03:47pm PT
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If one really wants to make an accusation then the proper label would be the "The Valley SAR site" in Camp 4 .....
...populated intermittently by tenuously-connected folks with only a passing association to the temporaneus assemblage of folks who sometimes act magnanimously on the behalf of temporarily indisposed vertical visitors to the Valley.
Ha, got it...
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Jul 26, 2011 - 03:47pm PT
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"will the REAL shitter, please step forward?"
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Jul 26, 2011 - 03:50pm PT
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Government Job Application.
1. Did you recently, or have your ever sh#t on a rope?
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..populated intermittently by tenuously-connected folks with only a passing association to the temporaneus assemblage of folks who sometimes act magnanimously on the behalf of temporarily indisposed vertical visitors to the Valley.
Way funny.. hahaha..
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Jul 26, 2011 - 04:13pm PT
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Aplication Denied
I'm sorry sir, but our information suggests that you may have shat on or near a rope in the last 35 years. Near being anywhere within 10 feet of any climbing rope, whether in use or laying on the ground. This establishment holds the highest standards and we can not hire anyone with even the nearest hint of sh#t on their persons. Therefore, please consider this a final evaluation and do not post any further applications.
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Gene
climber
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Jul 26, 2011 - 04:14pm PT
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Wow!! We're back to brown pies again. Looking forward to Facelift.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Jul 26, 2011 - 04:25pm PT
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Fats, wouldn't that be a make-up POO woo?
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Jul 26, 2011 - 04:32pm PT
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was raygun in office?
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Human Pack Mule
Big Wall climber
Southern California
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Jul 26, 2011 - 04:39pm PT
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As a closing post on this subject from me:
I was on YOSAR then and had nothing to do with any of the crap thrown your way.
Coz,
This is why code of conduct policies exist, because the actions of members of organizations reflect not only on themselves, but on people who were not responsible for their actions but are also members of said organization and the organization as a whole. It is a very crummy feeling to be accused of something you didn't do, isn't it? Really, you don't have anyone to blame for that other than the other members of YOSAR at the time. As the old saying goes, "A few bad apples spoil the bunch."
Lovegasoline and John Moosie:
That was actually pretty amusing, and I did in fact heartily laugh out loud. I appreciate your ability to see the humor in an otherwise dumpy situation. Thanks for that.
I bid you all a good day.
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strangeday
Social climber
The O.C. baby!!
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Jul 26, 2011 - 04:40pm PT
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I really wish I had never started reading this thread...
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jul 26, 2011 - 04:43pm PT
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at the point they started using the YOSAR campsite as a public announcement point of "We chopped your route," the entire YOSAR team was implicating itself in the event? Right?
No, as you stated as far as you were aware it was subset of Yosar. It could have been only a few drunk a-holes who did the deed and their external friends at the campfire. The more reasonable members of Yosar may have been asleep or located elsewhere. It's not fair to make statements that equate all Yosar with the bad apples.
But it's interesting to see how pissed off people get when mischaracterizations are made about their team. I wonder if they can think how that would feel if it were directed against them personally?
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Jul 26, 2011 - 05:14pm PT
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Wouldn't it be interesting if a purported villain wasn't really half the villain he was made out to be?
Wouldn't it be something if a lot of the anger generated towards Mark and Richard was based on a small group conspiracy who lied, and sold it to the rest of the gang, who believed it? And that the lie could be proved not to be true?
Wouldn't it be cool if someone who was overlooked or intentionally disregarded for significant climbing achievements, or had bolts chopped, finally had his truth revealed, too?
Sometimes you can't stop the truth. Although you would wonder around this place!
Deucey - for us n00bs who are not among the cognoscenti, could you please identify the characters in your photo?
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