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Meaty

climber

Jul 26, 2011 - 12:25pm PT

"so far as I know, ALL of the players in the intimation of us were members of YOSAR."
"So, bottom line, it was YOSAR"

Nope, both assertions are completely false.

Many non-Yosar folks gave you chumps a piece of their minds.
To claim it was only members of Yosar is a fantasy like most of your silly book.

You're still playing the victim card, but you've got a losing hand every time.

MSmith

Big Wall climber

Portland, Oregon

Jul 26, 2011 - 12:29pm PT

Like I said, you seem to have been there. So name one.

Behold, the ever-shrinking thread. Two more post disappeared from above in the past 5 minutes.

Meaty

climber

Jul 26, 2011 - 12:32pm PT

Yes, I was there. Many names, many. Since you've called me one of the shitters for a few decades I have no reason to give you any names. No mystery who the real shitters are.
The false narratives that make up most of your silly book live to keep telling lies.

MSmith

Big Wall climber

Portland, Oregon

Jul 26, 2011 - 12:34pm PT

Then we'll leave it at that.

Edit to your edit: I've called you "one of the sh#tters for a few decades"?

Edit to your fourth edit of prior post: "Silly book," eh? I take it that you bought a copy?

John Mac

Trad climber

Littleton, CO

Jul 26, 2011 - 01:39pm PT

Quote from Phil: "Unbelievable, truly unbelievable!! Two of the most significant ascents in North America ( Dunn_-Westbay on the Diamond freed at 5.13 and the Hallucinogen in the Black freed at 5.13+R) have just recently been done and you all can't stop masturbating over Wafts Of Sh#t, Aren't the sperm stains on your twisted panties getting annoyingly crunchy?.

Oh wait I get it those other climbs were in a foreign country called ColoRADo. Never mind carry on. "

Well said!

Let's all just move all. Let Pete write his history piece and the team that actually did the second ascent fill in all the details.

WBraun

climber

Jul 26, 2011 - 01:46pm PT

MSmith

But the connection to YOSAR is undeniable.

The sar site is the living quarters for the climbers who are PART of the Yosemite Search & Rescue team that is actually run by protection division of the park.

Protection division is Yosemite National Park Law Enforcement and Yosar is that branch.

The sar site is the housing area of the volunteer climbers who are hired as incidents happen and when their services are required at the time. Since they have operational training by the park they get first priority to help on missions.

YOSAR is the branch for initiating all Search & Rescue operations by Law Enforcement which is labeled under Protection Division.

Get straight now.

Some guys in the housing area heckled and yelled at you from there is NOT YOSAR.

And you're right I had no clue of the night this heckling and yelling was going on until reading here.

Meaty

climber

Jul 26, 2011 - 01:52pm PT

Werner, his claim that he was heckled from the SAR site is pure hogwash to begin with, complete bulltripe.
Just another victim card played by a couple of losers.

Human Pack Mule

Big Wall climber

Southern California

Jul 26, 2011 - 03:06pm PT

Yosar is Yosemite National Park Service Search & Rescue.

Some members of that team had opinions as climbers independent of YOSAR.

I am aware of what the acronym stands for, though I appreciate the information.

The National Park Service is a branch of the US Department of The Interior which makes it an office of the executive branch of the United States government.

"Each employee* has a responsibility to the United States Government and its citizens to place loyalty to the Constitution, laws and ethical principles above private gain. To ensure that every citizen can have complete confidence in the integrity of the Federal Government, employees shall endeavor to avoid any actions creating the appearance that they are violating the law or the ethical standards set forth."

I am sure you can see where I am going with this (since I am quoting from the code of conduct handbook), but let me be real clear...

"Status as an employee is unaffected by pay or leave status or by the fact that the individual does not perform official duties on a given day."

If they did not want their opinions and thoughts to be associated with YOSAR, then they should have kept those thoughts and opinions to themselves, or quit that organization.

Like it or not, as members of that organization, their thoughts, actions, and opinions reflected directly and poorly on themselves and the organization at the time. As long as whomever was responsible is not there any longer, then there is no reason for anyone to believe that YOSAR is not one of the finest SAR teams in the country/world.

Just because someone is a member of a government organization doesn't mean they are not responsible for what went on, in one way or another. Did anyone in YOSAR ask around and see what was going on? Of course not, they knew, but they didn't do anything to stop it. And that, to me, is tantamount to them going up and personally cutting ropes or defecating on gear.

Valiant effort, indeed.

Pete: My schedule likely will not allow a trip to the valley this fall. If that changes, I'll let you know.

*defined as anyone who works, volunteers, or otherwise has an official duty or capacity with the organization/government.

Meaty

climber

Jul 26, 2011 - 03:13pm PT

Mr.Mule,
The climbers on the SAR site are not government employees so you're wrong on ALL counts.

You and so many others here have absolutely no clue what went on because you weren't there, so quit the speculative postulations, thank you.

Human Pack Mule

Big Wall climber

Southern California

Jul 26, 2011 - 03:19pm PT

Mr. Meaty,
Your information directly contradicts what I quoted and what was repeated by WBraun.

The sar site is the living quarters for the climbers who are PART of the Yosemite Search & Rescue team that is actually run by protection division of the park.

Protection division is Yosemite National Park Law Enforcement and Yosar is that branch.

The sar site is the housing area of the volunteer climbers who are hired as incidents happen and when their services are required at the time. Since they have operational training by the park they get first priority to help on missions.

YOSAR is the branch for initiating all Search & Rescue operations by Law Enforcement which is labeled under Protection Division.

Get straight now.

And if you read by *'d note, it includes volunteers in its definition of "employee".

WBraun

climber

Jul 26, 2011 - 03:33pm PT

They are only employees when actually hired for a mission.

If there is no SAR or rescue they are not employees at that time.

'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber

like Ontario, Canada, eh?

Jul 26, 2011 - 03:35pm PT

"You and so many others here have absolutely no clue what went on because you weren't there, so quit the speculative postulations, thank you."

Dimitri, you're right. But we'd sure love to know! Why don't you tell us?!

Seriously. It would be great to hear from you about what happened. Everyone should have his say. We've heard Richard and Mark ranting at length, so why can't it be your turn now?

WBraun

climber

Jul 26, 2011 - 03:41pm PT

If one really wants to make an accusation then the proper label would be the "The Valley SAR site" in Camp 4 .....

Meaty

climber

Jul 26, 2011 - 03:42pm PT

PTPP, sure, after you post here on this forum who EXACTLY keeps telling you I was one of the shitters. I got your e-mail, so let it fly! You say my name keeps coming up, well who keeps repeating that lie?

Crickets!!??

healyje

Trad climber

Portland, Oregon

Jul 26, 2011 - 03:47pm PT

If one really wants to make an accusation then the proper label would be the "The Valley SAR site" in Camp 4 .....

...populated intermittently by tenuously-connected folks with only a passing association to the temporaneus assemblage of folks who sometimes act magnanimously on the behalf of temporarily indisposed vertical visitors to the Valley.

Ha, got it...

Hawkeye

climber

State of Mine

Jul 26, 2011 - 03:47pm PT

"will the REAL shitter, please step forward?"

John Moosie

climber

Beautiful California

Jul 26, 2011 - 03:50pm PT

Government Job Application.

1. Did you recently, or have your ever sh#t on a rope?

....

..populated intermittently by tenuously-connected folks with only a passing association to the temporaneus assemblage of folks who sometimes act magnanimously on the behalf of temporarily indisposed vertical visitors to the Valley.

Way funny.. hahaha..

John Moosie

climber

Beautiful California

Jul 26, 2011 - 04:13pm PT

Aplication Denied

I'm sorry sir, but our information suggests that you may have shat on or near a rope in the last 35 years. Near being anywhere within 10 feet of any climbing rope, whether in use or laying on the ground. This establishment holds the highest standards and we can not hire anyone with even the nearest hint of sh#t on their persons. Therefore, please consider this a final evaluation and do not post any further applications.