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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jan 12, 2013 - 04:47pm PT
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Well, how did things go for the heavily armed anti-government guys at Ruby Ridge?
The gov first shut off all their utilities, then surrounded the compound, and waited.
Then the gov "easily" killed damn near everyone in the compound when they fired at them
Shut off all utilities, fire in some tear gas, and the armed insurrection is over real fast.
What makes some people believe, seriously, that a big reason they "have" to own shitloads of guns is to "defend" against the US Armed Forces?
The gov would not even screw around anymore, just have a drone drop a 500 pound bomb and clean up the mess later.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 12, 2013 - 04:49pm PT
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Pull your head out of
YOUR
GODDAMN
ASS
RON
I never said YOU were calling for civil war. There you go, being an idiot again. There are those who line up on the same side of the debate as you do, with many of the same irrational bullshit talking points, who are calling for civil war.
I have never once heard any pot head EVER talk about civil war if they don't get their herb.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 12, 2013 - 04:54pm PT
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blah blah blah blah blah
You ignorant fukwad.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 12, 2013 - 05:23pm PT
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The most absurd thing I have ever heard... citizens armed with AR15's or less, against the US Military.
hahahahaaaaaaaa is right!
(see how that suggests an impending civil war Rong, you fuking asshat)
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Jan 12, 2013 - 05:32pm PT
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In random hardly biased Summary:
Okay folks. This is your space to talk about all pro and anti gun issues.
I am not the moderator. I probably won't even show up here that often.
keep it civil, and on topic. :-)
FUK YOU
is it even fair to do this without Fatty?
A device is a device is a device. Are you going to ban knowledge?
uh....FUK YOU...and the weenie Nancy Pelosi horse ya rode in on!
it is still all academic until real lead is coming back at you.
Gun laws are not the issue here.
one must ask what sort of manipulation is going on and why?
there will likely be another civil war
George Bush was only getting started with his agenda when the whole thing fell apart
So if one of the movie goer's started shooting at the bullet-proof vested nut job , would the bullets have had any effect
There is no rational reason that assault rifles should be legal in modern society.
see the looming specter of communism, I see fascism?
Using this latest mass-murder incident as a reason to debate gun-control is a red-herring. We are once again distracted and traumatized by the news into believing we are at risk. Your government will only capitalize on that fear. Look at what you allowed to happen in the time following 911........
first off, the "Red Dawn" scenario is total bull$hit; 50 million hicks with Glocks and AR-15s are NOT going to organize to stop massive aerial bombardments from communist China; and most Americans are way too obese and lazy to fight a sustained ground battle anyway
the "study" was pure BS man..
eing hit by multiple rounds even with a vest on is gonna f*ck you up, period.
If you ever experience a REAL firefight (not talking paintball here) your opinion concerning assault weapons in the hands of the general public might undrego a metamorphosis.
NRA is mostly responsible for the body count. Most radical and dangerous organization in the U.S.
"A well regulated militia"
Stats? I don't have stats i just hear about them all the time,
and thousands of people a year die in slip and fall accidents...
You are obviously not a chain saw user.
Guns are an important part of our culture.....they are the only way male caucasians can deal with small penis syndrome.
Some deal with SPS by buying a convertible or a monster truck.
I could go on and on
Well if your white and have a gun, you MUST have a teensie pecker according the some of the sage wisdoms here.
Exactly!
Does that stand as a qualifier? certainly not.
Let people have the guns they want, but charge $5000 per Bullet.
How can anyone not love guns?
"explosives" can be made from commonly purchased store items. MANY of them..
Been shot at, by people who knew what they were doing.
We have a constitutional right to these types of massacres.
LOCKS were made to keep HONEST people HONEST
He NEVER had seen that man before he drilled three into him. No charges were filed. again. So much for your ASSumptions..
This discussion is dominated by anectdotal subjectivity jumping to conclusions.
got anything to support your contention that many of these are 'gang related?"
Um, no. But I could probably find some if I wanted to.
God will judge him harshly, I'm sure. He will rot in hell.
the fact is he was a derainged HONKEY ass prick that should have been put down after about round four or five. No different than someone that would fly a load of people into a building
Dr Pepper shout out my nose when i saw that
Yet over a million babies are murdered every year, and people call that a choice.....not for the baby.
Guns, Babies, and Jesus. Not sure about the order.
Wedge issues. Keeps the fools distracted while gov't picks yer pocket.
A gun is just an external extension of ones consciousness.
I can't believe how you guys shred on each other! It makes my skin crawl.
I rest my case.
C'mon down to Tuolumne and we can get to know each other. Multiple pitches tend to bring out the truth in us.
Idiot amateurs think only of the target. They RARELY think about what is BEHIND the target.
Because the mental health sector doesn't contribute enough campaign dollars and the NRA
Two off-duty cops in Orange County got into a shooting match with each other on the freeway via a road rage incident...Oops...!
When seconds count, Police are only minutes away...If I saw someone selling machine guns in the back room of a bar, I'd have gone straight to the cops.
I'm sick of guns, gun whack jobs, and I'm definitely sick of this cult and screw ball organization we call the NRA.
I have picked up the dead body of a four year old kid after his 7 year old brother accidentally put one between his eyes.
It's child's play - so give it up with the big man gun stuff.
Who says I'm not a "drinker" as your analogy puts it?
we know and see time and time again gun nuts dont do sh#t when it really matter
BTW, Who you calling a pussy?
It seems a strict constitutional view would compel the conclusion that we only have the right to bear muzzle loaders?
ts about the mockery the lega system has made of our abiltites to function as a society. ITs about the NEVER ending defense that will now ensue over this jackwagon
it's about gun-nut whackery, that's what it's about.
dont care if you agree or not. Ive been able if i chose, to purchase fully auto weapons in a back room of a bar.
This thread has finally demonstrated something.
Only pussy's carry a piece...I pack a bow staff and nunchuks..Nobody has ever f*#ked with me...!
It's the unsafe hands that are the problem.
GAY GUN POWER IN THE SANDBOX
Anybody who only has 6000 rds is not ready for the next election.
It is quite possible to be stupid and to like guns. In fact it quite possibly likely.
It is quite possible to be stupid and to make anti-gun posts. In fact it quite possibly likely.
Grown men that are completely insane!!!!
When I say 'guns' i mean guns.
I have a Concealed Carry License.
Whatever, go attack someones religion or something. It's what you do best.
This circlejerk has run it's course.
Is there supposed to be some kind of epiphany?
You people who are pro-gun-violence, have you ever not shot anyone?
Your sources go a long way to explain why you are such a liberal cool-aid drinker.
Trigger locks aren't as safe as advertised:
So as you rant rave and spew think long a hard about what you would do if this tragedy hit your family..
Hey are you guys done strokin' your barrels and shootin' your loads yet?
Yeah, but that dude's got an awesome porno mustache.
No reason for an ar-15 for home defense.
Are you the guy who walks around the house with a holstered gun sippin coffee on the porch at 6am waiting for an intruder?
Perception plays a critical role and smart traders know how to profit from it.
Ammo out of stock....I love it!!! The white boys with chimp brains (sorry chimps) are panicking.
Clinging to god and guns.
That's actually a rad idea. My gym needs those for the smelly hippie kind.
Farmers been shooting rock salt at kids forever.
I got no problem with anyone possessing anything.
Can't speak to all the bullshit in the news. One of the reasons that I have a Black rifle is that the tea party bunch worries me....
No desensitization here in America!
Enter the 'slippery slope' retort from the gun-nutz...
It's true. Us men are beasts, pure and simple. Testosterone poisoning is our underlying problem
That would explain the irrational behavior of the gun owners when they are threaten to lose them...
Lunatic Gun Nut Is Stripped Of Gun License By State
"I'm not going to let anyone take my guns. If it goes one inch further, I'm going to start killing people,"
Not man enough? Buy a gun
You're a paranoid lunatic.
Funny, I was thinking the same thing. Glad there is at least one adult around here.
NRA peddles fear and paranoia. The weak minded are easy targets.
"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."
no gun debate is complete without BOGUS quotes from the Founding Fathers
There is an old principle of management. Never promote someone with enough ability to take your job from you.
Ok , Smart locks, you buy a gun ,you buy a smart lock that only the owner can accesss. no lock ,no gun.
Because some have a hobby of guns,, it is now a fetish??
They're talking out of both sides of their mouths,
That one goes in the Stupid Archives, right to the top of the list.
you have no idea of STATE SOVEREIGNTY i can only assume...
And i see you dont like analogies where they hit home.
gud gawd.. Hallmark of a looney LIB,, "YUR A RACIST"!
Shut off all utilities, fire in some tear gas, and the armed insurrection is over real fast.
I have never once heard any pot head EVER talk about civil war if they don't get their herb.
blah blah blah blah blah
You ignorant fukwad.
pffff....
Let's hear about your military service, Mr. Hero, Mr. Patriot.
Keep them platitudes coming!
when a bad guy comes in to harm your family, try not to wet yourself, ok?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jan 12, 2013 - 05:32pm PT
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"Hey Dave, when a bad guy comes in to harm your family, try not to wet yourself, ok?"
Yeah, it'd make it more difficult to run away.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jan 12, 2013 - 05:35pm PT
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My military service? Zero.
What difference does it make?
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Jan 12, 2013 - 05:38pm PT
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Dave, the society (that gave them everything) will revolt against a government that is not doing what it did when it served that society that gave them everything. The people are the society. The government is supposed to serve the people(that society), to guarantee liberty and freedoms. Nothing more pathetic than white dudes who have lived a life of privilege talking heroic about overthrowing the society that gave them everything.
You are fighting hard to support the creation of a a government that functions like a monarchy - your forefathers fought to break away from that and create a land of the free - remember, you had a war about that? You can laugh about keeping a well-armed militia all you want, what you are really saying is that you support the idea of government above and beyond anything that government may turn into. For you, there is no end to what they can become and do to their own people before you would then realize that it is with your fellow countrymen that you should be standing, and not with the government of the day. That will ensure the government serves the people instead of padding their pockets while putting your children and their children in perpetual debt, financially enslaving them. (you will argue that if you have no understanding of economics)
When you love the 'idea' of government as much as you do, you will give up the right to protect your own family, to be able to provide your own food for them, to own your own useful land and provide the basics in Maslow's hierarchy of needs. I guess that is ok, but it isn't appropriate for you to force this upon others and mock them for it. It shows lack of respect for your fellow countrymen (which means the government would love you in a marshal law situation - brown shirts here we come!)
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jan 12, 2013 - 05:45pm PT
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Mr Kos writes:
"Those who are so sure that they can overthrow a "tyranical" government with their private arsenals always seem to have no clue about military weapons, tactics, or history."
Who here's talking about overthrowing the governbment? That's crazy.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 12, 2013 - 05:46pm PT
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My military service? Zero.
What difference does it make?
A lot of difference. He made a sacrifice to join the Army and protect this country. You gun nuts rant about freedom and liberty and how guns secure that... and then disregard the heroes who ACTUALLY do the work. That's pretty fuking pathetic.
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Jan 12, 2013 - 05:48pm PT
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Those who are so sure that they can overthrow a "tyranical" government with their private arsenals seem to have no clue about military weapons, tactics, or history.
Do you dislike them because they have no clue, or because of something else? Do they threaten you? Or are you mad because they bring up the possibility that your government may not always have your best interest in mind? That it may one day think that in it's current iteration, that it is more important than the Constitution that you swore to uphold and protect? Are you scared that if that does happen that you will feel alone and helpless to do what you know you should - defend the Constitution and the freedoms and liberties of your fellow countrymen?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jan 12, 2013 - 05:49pm PT
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Wes,
Your imagination is over-running your reading comprehension.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 12, 2013 - 05:52pm PT
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how so?
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 12, 2013 - 05:54pm PT
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Then why do you need assault weapons and huge mags?
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Jan 12, 2013 - 05:54pm PT
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I have a feeling you don't know Dave Kos
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 12, 2013 - 05:57pm PT
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To what end? Just for the hell of it? Then why not limit them to specific training facilities?
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Jan 12, 2013 - 06:04pm PT
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Why would anyone be against their fellow citizens being well armed? Even compared to their military?
In business you learn that half the sale is presentation, appearance. I would rather live in a well-armed country like Switzerland before Hitler went nutz than anywhere else. Keeps your military from getting attacked as much.
If some elected official wanted to become more of a monarch or dictator... do you think that the fact that the citizens were fully armed or not would be taken into his plans? Do you not think that fully armed citizens would dissuade him most guys from planning something like that? Even doing it one little step at a time with the help of the media? History repeats itself, if you don't learn from it, well, fool me once, no twice. ummmmm...
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Jan 12, 2013 - 06:11pm PT
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If you didn't have guns then, you are saying that the rage and evil built up in people would simply dissipate? That they wouldn't do anything? Or that it is guns that creates this rage that makes them go on rampages and kill 38 people a day in your country?
because we have guns
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 12, 2013 - 06:11pm PT
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Why would anyone be against their fellow citizens being well armed?
Because, as WELL illustrated on this forum... and in Aurora... etc, many of my fellow citizens are bat sh#t crazy. Some live in a fantasy world where Obama is trying to take away their guns and all Mexicans are poachers with illegal AK's. Some are mentally ill but still allowed to purchase guns. Some store them irresponsibly. What don't you understand about that?
History repeats itself, if you don't learn from it, well, fool me once, no twice. ummmmm...
OMG! You are right... wait a second... this sh#t is sounding more and more like veiled threats of an impending civil war... AGAIN.
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Jan 12, 2013 - 06:15pm PT
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some are mentally ill and still allowed to purchase guns
Yeah, I guess I can see how I support Canada's gun laws that allows you to be well armed while at the same time...
1. are enforced.
2. Don't allow sales unless you are licensed, you have proven that you aren't mentally deranged.
3. Limit of 5 rounds on semi-auto.
4. don't have to take into account illegal immigrants
OMG! You are right... wait a second... this sh#t is sounding more and more like an impending civil war... AGAIN.
I was just in a country in civil war, guess it just doesn't seem like something to be ignored or to scoffed at to me. The two sides are terribly uneven, the people don't have guns except for what China is supplying. I suspect it wouldn't have started if they had been armed in the first place.
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