Discussion Topic |
|
This thread has been locked |
Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
|
|
|
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 6, 2010 - 01:27pm PT
|
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLktYRvQnk0&feature=related
After watching this video I see no further reason to post to your threads. You've completely lost it.
Port that is your choice. Then don't.
But it isn't me you are argueing with, it would be Russ Dizdar. He has 30 years of exerience with this. Police departments come to him. He deals with this stuff all the time. His experience (over 30 years) and working with Police departments, kind of trumps your experience, which is none.
I'm willing to guess that you don't have any experience in the occult, excorcism, and combating and working with these spiritual phenomena. And that would be a good thing. But if you do not have any experience, how can you say anything one way or another and then dismiss it? Intellectually you can not.
|
|
Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
|
|
I'm willing to guess that you don't have any experience in the occult, excercism, and combating and working with these spiritual phenomena. And that would be a good thing. But if you do not have any experience, how can you say anything one way or another and then dismiss it? Intellectually you can not.
how can one have experience in something that doesnt exist?
|
|
Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
|
|
|
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 6, 2010 - 01:44pm PT
|
Whether you believe it exists or not is besides the point.
The people involved DO BELIEVE IT, and as a result do all kinds of monsterous things, vicious crimes etc. etc. under these Santanic influences.
That is why law enforcement is involved, and why they indeed do learn about aspects of the occult, even take courses on it so they can identify it, and call in those who know much more than they do, hence people like Russ Dizdar.
|
|
Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
|
|
GC, that is a satanic cat!
|
|
Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
|
|
|
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 6, 2010 - 02:59pm PT
|
Once again, whether you think it is real or not does not matter.
It happens. They believe it and then do it. It is real in that sense whether you think the laws of physics can't or don't allow it or not.
There are secret societies, with secret oaths, they hide their memberships, they are Lucerferian (worship Lucifer = satan), they are into the occult, and they do vicious, heniuos crimes, wicked crimes, and yes they have secret agendas.
Are you going to disbute this?
Law enforcement knows this. They have to deal with it.
Yet you scoff and laugh.
Can climbers on ST pull their heads out and think? I sure hope so. We live life to the fullest and on the edges of the extremes, yet some of you dismiss this reality with no clue.
Why? Do you know all? I don't think you do.
|
|
Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
|
|
There are secret societies, with secret oaths, they hide their memberships, they are Lucerferian (worship Lucifer = satan), they are into the occult, and they do vicious, heniuos crimes, wicked crimes, and yes they have secret agendas. What, base jumping in wing suits? I guess the bat wings could be seen as vaguely satanic - good Hallowe'en costumes.
|
|
Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
|
|
There are secret societies, with secret oaths, they hide their memberships, they are Christian (worship Diety = God), they are into the occult, and they do vicious, heniuos crimes, wicked crimes, and yes they have secret agendas.
klimmer, i replaced a few key words and in some cases this is still true too! ok, maybe they don't hide their memberships but sure as hell some of them hide their agendas and have committed wicked crimes.
fact is, there are bad people in all walks of life, christian, mormon, catholic atheists etc.
|
|
Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
|
|
|
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 6, 2010 - 03:08pm PT
|
lol.
No. BASE jumping and BASE jumpers are ok. GOD has given them a pass.
Sadly, LEOs don't see it that way and treat them as devils. LEOs are a little confussed on this point. Back to school.
BASE jumping is not a crime. Neither is paragliding, climbing, skateboarding, BC skiing etc. etc.
:-))
|
|
Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
|
|
|
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 6, 2010 - 03:11pm PT
|
Hawkeye,
Actually, The Good Book, GOD, and Jesus are strictly against the taking of secret oaths and secret societies.
If they do this, then right there they are not Christian.
So I disagree.
|
|
Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
|
|
well disagreement is fine. IMHO all those jjerks on christian TV that rake in a bunch of $ for tele-church are crooks.
doesnt matter what the publicly present....
EDIT: where does it say that in the Goodbook? how do you kow that the goodbook is actually true???
|
|
Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
|
|
|
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 6, 2010 - 03:53pm PT
|
I don't agree with asking for money that way either. Some are blessed though for giving what they can. There are better ways to fund raise.
Secret societies and secret oaths: the Bible, GOD, and Jesus (Remember, Jesus is Emmanuel, GOD with us) say don't do it . . .
Ephesians 5:12 ESV
"For it is shameful even to speak of the things that they do in secret."
John 18:20
"I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing."
Matthew 5:34-46
"Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths: But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil." -- Jesus is qouting the Old Testament here and expounding on it.
Much more here:
http://www.masonicalert.com/secretsocieties.htm
|
|
healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
|
|
Klimmer, I'm beginning to get it. You start with good v. evil, extrapolate to god v. satan, and then under that rubric you pretty much have a place for everything including science, religion, ufo's, sasquatch, nessie, 9/11, secret societies, any conspiracy at all, shadow governments, unicorns, faeries, and santa claus - doesn't really matter what it is, you have a spot for it in your taxonomy.
I suppose that works for you, but I can't see any understanding of science, 'evidence', 'facts', or even much common sense in your amusing amalgamation of beliefs. Sort of a witches brew of the absurd.
|
|
Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
|
|
you're talkin' to a guy in his 60s here, klim. some of us actually change our points of view in the course of our lives. if i had it to do over again, i sure wouldn't go to those schools.
your "good book", if you could examine it critically, is a rather selective edition of the contradictory literature of a confused but powerful religious tradition.
what really turned me off about christianity, klim, is its perpetual state of crisis. it comes out here in your own hopes and fears. it promises peace, but true peace is put off until heaven. what it delivers is a lifetime of guilt and fear and a "civilization" of perpetual war or rumors of war. always the terrible damnation, always the heroic salvation, always the foxy devil. jesus is a panacea that gets sprinkled everywhere like pixie dust off tinkerbell. it just wore me down, mostly because it never delivered the good stuff it promises. i've come to believe that lots of people renew their religious beliefs because they get married, have families, get a good job. this happens with christians, muslims, buddhists, communists. on the negative side, they may resort to religion because they need it to straighten something out--addictions, criminality, whatever. i never had those good things come to me, and i never went so far astray that i had to reform myself. i've gotten the good things and managed the negative on my own. i look in nature, and that's exactly what every evolved critter happens to do as well. i think you christians are missing the real message, pal.
my religion began with the outdoors, and it's still there. i noticed early on what a great relief it was to get out of mass on sunday and go down to the lake.
just a word of advice, klim. if you don't buy the catholic program, i don't advise subjecting your kids to it.
--
btw, i did have a comment on what port had to say. i don't seem to have posted it, and i hope i'm not repeating myself--
klim's posting about russ dizdar is really nothing extraordinary, and it makes me wonder what you know about the world. exorcism has been a part of the catholic tradition for centuries and a fairly credible movie--the exorcist--was made on the subject in the 1970s. these things happen, they're part of the real world, the difference is in interpretation. in the catholic high school i went to we had a priest describe an exorcism he once attended. they are rare events, but they do take place. many catholic priests are well-trained in psychology and mental health therapy, and those means are generally exhausted before anyone starts talking about exorcism. his story was scary and chilling--objects being flung by invisible forces around the room in apparent anger--but he himself was entirely credible.
klim and the pope have a handy explanation for this. others have been comparing notes with other areas of the paranormal and think it isn't strictly the battle line of good versus evil, but a frontier of things unknown, though not necessarily unknowable.
|
|
Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
|
|
I don't agree with asking for money that way either. Some are blessed though for giving what they can. There are better ways to fund raise.
Secret societies and secret oaths: the Bible, GOD, and Jesus (Remember, Jesus is Emmanuel, GOD with us) say don't do it . . .
Ephesians 5:12 ESV
"For it is shameful even to speak of the things that they do in secret."
John 18:20
"I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing."
Matthew 5:34-46
"Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths: But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil." -- Jesus is qouting the Old Testament here and expounding on it.
i guess i just can't read biblese but i see nothing about secret societies nor oaths.
but what the hell, if you interpret that out of there i bet there is a passage in there saying i am a god and women will swoon over me...
|
|
Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
|
|
|
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 6, 2010 - 07:07pm PT
|
Secret societies and secret oaths: the Bible, GOD, and Jesus (Remember, Jesus is Emmanuel, GOD with us) say don't do it . . .
Ephesians 5:12 ESV
"For it is shameful even to speak of the things that they do in secret."
John 18:20
"I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing."
Matthew 5:34-46
"Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths: But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil." -- Jesus is qouting the Old Testament here and expounding on it.
Much more here:
http://www.masonicalert.com/secretsocieties.htm
guess i just can't read biblese but i see nothing about secret societies nor oaths.
but what the hell, if you interpret that out of there i bet there is a passage in there saying i am a god and women will swoon over me...
Hawkeye,
I will hold your hand. Yes, reading the Bible is difficult for some people.
Eph. 5:12
Means - Not only is it shameful that people do things in secret, but it is shameful to even to have to talk about what things they do in secret.
Secret societies are all about hiding and doing things in secret. That is shameful. Therefore Christians are not to do that.
John 18:20
Means - Jesus spoke openly to the World. He never had a secret agenda, nor did he say things in secret.
As Christians we are to live Christ like lives. Therefore, we can never be a part of a secret society. Secret Societies have secret agendas and they say things in secret. Christians can't do that. That is not Christ like to do so. No Christian can be a "Member of Skull and Bones" or the Masons and be a true Christian.
Matthew 5:34-46
Means - We are not to take oaths or swear an oath, but simply that our affirmation should be an affirmation, or our Yes should mean yes, and our No should mean No.
Christians should not take oaths, or swear an oath. Our Yes should mean Yes, and our No should mean No. You either agree to a statement or you do not agree.
Even when taking an Oath of Service to join the US Armed Forces, they allow an affirmation of the allegiance and to protect the Constitution, you do not have to swear an allegiance, just for this reason -- religious reasons that forbid the swearing of oaths.
So once again, true Christians can not be members of Secret Societies that require Secret Oaths or Oaths of any kind.
|
|
Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
|
|
gee thanks! what about that passage of women coming on to me and procreating the earth?
and, uh, well, what does this have to do with aliens? those blue babes in Avatar were'nt bad i guess...
|
|
Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
|
|
it's interesting to note that u.s. history went through a number of stages trying to stamp out secret societies. there was specifically an anti-mason ticket--i think john quincy adams was involved in that. a real tug-of-war between the secret and the public.
secret societies are nothing new--they seem to be inherent in our anthropology. many cultures, "primitive" and otherwise, have subsets which operate in secret. probably rather inevitable, and it inevitably subverts the public interest. klimmer's looking at religious history through rosy-colored glasses if he thinks it hasn't infected both judaism and christianity to the max. take note, buddy: lots of what appears in your "good book" is superwishful thinking.
|
|
Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
|
|
|
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 6, 2010 - 10:43pm PT
|
Like all Lunatics
Klimmer believes he is the only one that gets it
and the rest of us are all wrong
Dr. F,
No I do not. I learn everyday. I even learn from you guys. I learn patience, lots and lots of patience. lol.
(Actually, truthfully, I do learn a great deal from posters here on ST, even those I most often disagree with.)
|
|
|
SuperTopo on the Web
|
Let us know!