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Loom
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Sierra Nevada
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Jul 28, 2005 - 03:11pm PT
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Ahh, that's it. Stories you hear at the Deli don't stay at the Deli, and they don't stay the same either.)
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Largo
Sport climber
Venice, Ca
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Jul 28, 2005 - 03:14pm PT
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Per the Scott C. thing--I'm out. Not interested in slinging dirt just to sling it. If thre's a fantastic story involved, great. Otherwise ranger/climber bashing is a small and gruby bidness . . .
JL
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Matt
Trad climber
places you shouldn't talk about in polite company
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Jul 28, 2005 - 05:13pm PT
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nope, no great story there.
yuk!
pedophiles are gross
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atchafalaya
Trad climber
California
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Jul 28, 2005 - 06:06pm PT
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Legally, cops are not held to any higher standard than any other citizen, which is a good thing IMO. If the rules are suppose to be fair for us, it would be unfair to discriminate against a class of people (law enforcement) and hold them to some arbitrary heightened standard.
I can see the moral argument that they have power, authority, represent the govt, and exercise alot of discretion, so they should be above average on the ethics and morals issues... But to pretend that all cops must be saints cause they wear a badge is gun is idealistic and unpracticable.
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Wrathchild
climber
right behind you
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Jul 28, 2005 - 09:55pm PT
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Higher standard? How about the same standard?
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deuce4
Big Wall climber
the Southwest
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Jul 29, 2005 - 03:21pm PT
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Klaus writes:
...so and so was "walking a tiny dog licking an ice cream cone"...
sounds like a good story!
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Ouch!
climber
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Jul 29, 2005 - 03:49pm PT
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"walking a tiny dog licking an ice cream cone"
Weird. I'm trying to picture how a dog can walk and lick an ice cream cone at the same time.
Unless it was stuck in his rearend.
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Wrathchild
climber
right behind you
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Back by popular request...
A got a pic of a yo local with balls bigger than Lobo. Sent it to Watusi to post.
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mildweed
Mountain climber
kansas city, mo
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Sep 23, 2005 - 07:24am PT
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Gah! Spelling is important! I'm one of the Scott Connerly's in the world, an intermittant climber, and came across this page that claimed I (really Scott Connolly) am a pederat. Whew. Close call.
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Voice of Reason
Trad climber
Yosemite, CA
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Sep 23, 2005 - 11:32am PT
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Lober is an ass.
When Courtney was hanging around in the SAR cache last summer ......the things he used to say about her when she wasn't around. It wasn't your run of the mill sexist sh#t either. It was some seriously degrading perversely sexual stuff. You just wouldn't believe what would come out of his mouth.
I'm all for admiration of the opposite sex, but the things he would say were beyond the pale. Gross really. I wonder if his wife knows?
One time I say him with some young SAR guy, Max, Mark, Mike? Something like that, and I could have sworn they were sharing some kind of "special moment". They had thier hands on each others shoulders and were staring into each others eyes. It was the type of moment that you just knew not to walk in on. I don't know what it means, maybe they are just really close, but it was eerie. That kid was often given jobs he had no business doing. He was not a climber and had no technical sense, he was given rigging and medical leader jobs over more experienced members.The kid was like 17 or 18 or something.
Anyhoo, Lober's just a sad old man. He's got a cool job that he constantly endangers people doing because of his overwhelmingly large ego. Like ordering helicopters to rescue people when it hasn't even been confirmed those people are really injured (every time a flight goes out, people are being put in danger), just to stroke his buddies. Putting his young interns into positions they don't have the experience or technical prowess to be safe in, just because he likes them.
Last year he put a friend of a friend on a search over difficult terrain, over the strenuous objections of his co-workers (they were worried the guy would hurt himself b/c of his lack of experince on uneven, steep ground). The guy ended up breaking his leg.
Make no mistake ego has a price, and some day Lober's ego will cost someone thier life.
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Good Morning!
climber
Prescott, AZ
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Sep 23, 2005 - 12:42pm PT
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Hey "Voice of Reason",
What a pathetic post.
No wonder you won't use your own name.
Slimeball!
M. Ziebell
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can't say
Social climber
Pasadena CA
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Sep 23, 2005 - 12:43pm PT
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problem is Good Morning, if it's true, then it needs to be aired.
Tool M. Zeibell
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 23, 2005 - 07:24pm PT
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The voice of reason said;
"The guy ended up breaking his leg."
Now who the fu-ck was that? I don't remember anybody breaking a leg last year on SAR.
Sounds like you're someone on the insude here ......
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Good Morning!
climber
Prescott, AZ
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Sep 23, 2005 - 07:36pm PT
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"problem is Good Morning, if it's true, then it needs to be aired."
Yes, but to Keith's face not behind his back anonymously on supertopo.
And that's EX-tool M. Ziebell.
And actually, "Martin" works pretty well.
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Ouch!
climber
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Sep 23, 2005 - 07:52pm PT
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"Sounds like you're someone on the insude here "
Does Bear #46 have access to a computer?
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MZiebell
Social climber
Prescott, AZ
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Sep 23, 2005 - 07:56pm PT
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I guess I shouldn't complain about anonymous posters without adjusting my own profile.
So, there ya go.
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Spinmaster K-Rove
Trad climber
Stuck Under the Kor Roof
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Sep 23, 2005 - 09:22pm PT
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As someone who worked with Lober on many SAR's I have to say that I was pretty consistantly impressed with his decision making abilities and leadership. He knows what he is doing and while there may be some question as to other aspects of his character, we are pretty lucky to have him when we are in need. And anyone who has been on as many SARs as Lober has, much less been Incident Commander on them, is going to make a few mistakes or bad calls.
People with legitimate criticism of Lober are certainly entitled to say their piece, but anything else is just pure slander, and poorly concocted slander at that.
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 23, 2005 - 09:37pm PT
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I read that Ureasonalble voice guys thread some more and realize he's even more full of sh-it.
Max, 17 or 18 wrong by a mile
He was not a climber and had no technical sense, wrong again
Putting his young interns into positions they don't have the experience or technical prowess to be safe in, just because he likes them. WRONG AGAIN
You're full of sh-it dude, come back again when you've got something real instead of holding onto some ballon in the air.
And we know that you have a personal ax to grind here to make these distorted posts to fit your vengeance.
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Dutch
Trad climber
Truckee
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Sep 23, 2005 - 09:59pm PT
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All Lober bashers. That was all a long time ago. Get over it. It's a bummer that people hold on to this crap only to dredge it up years after the fact. People change. Find something more productive to do with your time.
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elcapfool
Big Wall climber
hiding in plain sight
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Sep 24, 2005 - 04:24am PT
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Things I am "over":
Organized religion
The Crusades
The Inquisition
The holocaust and associated guilt
Viet Nam
Saddam Hussein
Afghanistan
September 11th
The Taliban
Iraq
George W Bush
Lobo's reign of terror
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