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nature
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Boulder, CO
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Apr 12, 2014 - 10:57am PT
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bets on when the idiots forming the militia fire the first shots? This is going to be ugly. leaching retard redneck rancher and supports are not going to win this one. and yes... if this leech is your hero... well... get a new one. Superman is a better option.
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 12, 2014 - 11:05am PT
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Mr Bundy should make his all American claim he's protecting the American way.
He's protecting the American hamburger from danger.
Without the cows on the American land the hamburger will go extinct.
Without hamburger all Americans will go crazy and revolt.
Thus he's on a noble mission to save Americans.
(rolls eyes) ......
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Apr 12, 2014 - 11:07am PT
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Think of the childreeeeerrrr..... all the people that eat hamburgers!
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Apr 12, 2014 - 01:12pm PT
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Is this the real Ron..? rj
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Apr 12, 2014 - 01:24pm PT
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Welcome back Ron.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Apr 12, 2014 - 02:34pm PT
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Ron, what you've explained makes more sense than anything else I've read. Thanks.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Apr 12, 2014 - 03:20pm PT
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God, Guns and Cattle made the American west.
in the 19th and early 20th centuries.
This is the 21st century in case some haven't noticed.
Presumably we are more law respecting than the Mormons who slaughtered the Fancher party 75 or so miles up the road, just about the time Bundy's Mormon ancestors were "settling" his land.
Or shall we go back to the Wild Wild West? Where the gun decided who was right. Even Clint Eastwood's movie Unforgiven questions the outcome of that way of life.
Bundy has had his due process. Let his supporters pitch in for a good old legal battle in the appeals courts. Maybe they can even get to the Supreme Court where there's a convenient right wing majority right now.
At the present time they are guilty of open armed insurrection against the US Government.
What other supposedly aggrieved parties should have that right?
Gotta love the inevitable fracking conspiracy theories. So why aren't these wahoos out with their AR15s blockading the exploration and drilling rigs?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 12, 2014 - 03:32pm PT
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oh crap
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dirtbag
climber
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Apr 12, 2014 - 03:35pm PT
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And I still say that this is due to gray wolves.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Apr 12, 2014 - 03:47pm PT
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Not one single white person would be living in the west getting their "states rights"on without the heavy federal intervention that went down.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Apr 12, 2014 - 03:49pm PT
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If this white cowboy and the BLM were replaced by a Tibetan herder and the ChiCom's,
what would the hypocrites that are crying for his extermination say?
Ron's explanation is right on the money.
I've seen first hand the well fields and infrastructure that have sucked valleys north of Reno dry leaving behind nothing but dry as a bone desert and abandoned homes and ranches.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Apr 12, 2014 - 05:00pm PT
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You don't know what the well symbols are, obviously. Almost all of those wells are dry holes.
The only commercial oil production in Nevada worth mentioning is that cluster in Railroad Valley. There was a well there that at one time was one of the highest producing oil wells in the entire country.
It is a small accumulation, and there are a ton of dry holes around the few small fields.
Also, oil wells have nothing to do with fresh water. Zip. Water is a nuisance in the oil business.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Apr 12, 2014 - 05:09pm PT
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I do know the symbols. My point was there are no fields north of Reno.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Apr 12, 2014 - 05:11pm PT
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OK. Post the symbols up and put written descriptions next to them.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Apr 12, 2014 - 05:15pm PT
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This battle between the government and the settlers has been going on since the first pioneers pushed through the Cumberland Gap in defiance of the British colonial government, and has been both antagonistic and symbiotic ever since.
Hopefully, this will spark some special interest articles and documentaries discussing the issues involved and maybe just maybe, the feds will start respecting local opinion more. They have a long history of asking people to settle in those desolate places, indeed rewarding them to do so, and then going back on their contracts and treaties. Maybe even, some of the white folks including the rednecks, will get a glimpse of how the Native Americans felt when this happened.
And it was God, guns and guts that made the West great. Farmers came first, cattle only later.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Apr 12, 2014 - 05:23pm PT
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Base you are awesome but I am not going to tell you what you already know.
Jan, local opinion would not exist had the federal government not paved the way. The notion that any settlor would have succeeded without a massive federal military and infrastructure investment is absurd. People out scratching away in the desert complaining about the government is ridiculous.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Apr 12, 2014 - 05:55pm PT
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Looked at another way, the United States as a continental country and a world power would not have existed either, if not for the brave pioneers who heeded the government's call to settle the West. Every time our leaders "project power" on the world stage for the bankers back East and the 1 %, they are doing so on the legacy of the small people who founded the West and gained all those resources for them.
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dirtbag
climber
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Apr 12, 2014 - 07:00pm PT
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^^^^yep.
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