Discussion Topic |
|
This thread has been locked |
Karen
Trad climber
So Cal urban sprawl Hell
|
|
|
Nov 17, 2009 - 05:28pm PT
|
locker, when you and I've climbed together, we act about middle-schoolish...
and we have a GUD time!
|
|
TripL7
Trad climber
'dago
|
|
|
Nov 17, 2009 - 05:30pm PT
|
HK-"we are knott much older than t*r".
I am as old as the hills(give or take a few).
And proud of it!
|
|
drljefe
climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
|
|
|
Nov 17, 2009 - 05:37pm PT
|
Trip-
You're as old as the Hills...
and she watches "The Hills".
|
|
bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
|
|
|
Nov 17, 2009 - 05:40pm PT
|
i may have deleted posts, but i certainly never started any threads like this about anyone
take heart, t*r. you've arrived. as dick cilley used to say: "it dosen't matter what they say about you as long as they're talking about you".
or words to that effect.
|
|
Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C. Small wall climber.
|
|
|
Nov 17, 2009 - 05:51pm PT
|
We interrupt this thread to bring you a climbing-related photo.
|
|
yosguns
climber
Durham, NC
|
|
|
Nov 17, 2009 - 06:00pm PT
|
If we de-personalize this issue, it's actually pretty interesting.
What is the purpose of an online forum? To share information, post up random thoughts, "art," and a whole multitude of other things. One trait of this forum is that you are not bound to what you post if you start a thread because you can delete it. However, it seems the majority here holds itself to a fairly strong ethic of NOT deleting posts.
I can see why. If just enough people deleted their posts often enough, the incentive to post--and spend time constructing finely crafted prose...eh hemm--would be compromised, since it wouldn't be as likely that you'd be rewarded for your efforts by being able to share information, random thoughts (all those purposes of an online forum listed above) and receiving other people's feedback. (I will go one step further and say that empirical evidence here shows that people's reward for posting is not just sharing information and receiving positive feedback...but in most cases, enjoying plain old attention and recognition, which leads to the significant feeling of belonging to a community.)
Lest I get too long-winded here, the community wouldn't exist if too many people deleted their threads all too often, thus most people hold themselves to the ethic of sticking with what they post because they know they would rather encourage the community's existence than protect their own reputation at the expense of the community.
There are some other people, though, who appreciate the ability to delete their random thoughts, for whatever reason. Those people probably wouldn't post nearly as often if the option to delete didn't exist. I don't think we should think those people are any worse or better than the majority, as long as we recognize that it takes a majority of people who don't delete to keep the community going. The minority who enjoys the option to delete, and uses it more liberally, shouldn't be chastised for that either, since the option exists and as some have suggested, is not punished by more than majority discontent.
Of course, majority discontent is pretty powerful. It could ultimately lead to the minority being run out of town (if the majority wants that to happen). That way no one who stuck around would delete for a while, for fear of being tossed out of the community. (Eventually, a new rogue would turn up, and the whole thing would happen again as is the way of things...)
So, we all have to ask ourselves. Do the posts that t*r puts up here and then deletes have so little value we'd want her not to post them in the first place? Because, that is the only way I see the majority changing the behavior of the minority. The few people who feel the need to exercise the delete power will be bullied into not using it. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THEY WILL STOP DELETING POSTS, IT MEANS THEY WILL STOP POSTING THEM (in most cases, maybe not in t*r's, since I don't want to paint her as a weak personality).
I mean, there's some underlying need to delete that the majority is able to cope with that the minority who deletes is not. Making it near impossible to delete doesn't mean that underlying need will go away, it just means the minority will make it so they are never even in the situation where they might feel the need to delete in the first place.
That said, Norwegian, if you delete this now after all this wonderful babbling I've contributed, well you might just turn up with your handle in the title of a thread! ;-) Doesn't matter though, you can rest assured I'd just be called a dyke and run out of town.
PS I deleted a thread about my relationship with someone here a couple years ago, immediately regretted posting it for airing dirty laundry, and deleted. Then, I immediately regretted that. As soon as I posted the original thread, I realized I didn't want a bunch of people who might know us to be privy to my insecurities. It was pretty immature of me to seek support on an internet forum in the first place, but you know how it goes. I recognize that it's frustrating for people who value what they write when their work is deleted. I don't mean to minimize that at all. In the case of my deleted thread, I was trying to start a conversation about relationships between two climbers in general...and it came out all too personal. I started the thread again under a new guise and it turned out pretty constructive for me. Judge me as you will; I don't regret it!!!!!
EDIT: All "posts" are meant to be "threads." Thanks, Ghost!
EDIT EDIT: Actually, only some "posts" are meant to be "threads." None of the verbs "post" should be "thread."
EDIT EDIT: Verb=action word. ;-)
EDIT EDIT EDIT: Moronic homophobic racist.
|
|
TripL7
Trad climber
'dago
|
|
|
Nov 17, 2009 - 06:01pm PT
|
drljefe-"Your as old as the Hills... and she watch "The Hills".
Are you suggesting that I am a dirty old as the hills man?
|
|
drljefe
climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
|
|
|
Nov 17, 2009 - 06:04pm PT
|
Hey....
the hills have eyes!
I don't really know what to make of this nonsense..
so I just added to it.
If t*r would just burn one and mellow out...
|
|
Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
|
|
|
Nov 17, 2009 - 06:19pm PT
|
Yosguns, I think there's a point here that you are missing. That is the difference between deleting posts and deleting threads. Nobody minds if you, or I or t*r or anybody else deletes posts. They're your (or my or t*r's) own posts and if you regret your words, no one should be upset that you delete them.
But when you delete an entire thread, you are deleting not just your own words and thoughts, but other people's as well. Which, if not grounds for a hanging, is certainly thoughtless and rude. In the case that started this whole silly thread, had t*r simply edited her first post to be blank, or to say "I didn't mean this" or whatever, no one would have given a rat's ass. Norwegian wouldn't have felt insulted, and his words would still be there for all to read.
Of course it is possible that I misunderstood your post and you now think I'm a racist homophobic moron, but if you say that, then I'm going to say that you're a homophobic moronic racist. So there.
|
|
yosguns
climber
Durham, NC
|
|
|
Nov 17, 2009 - 06:23pm PT
|
Ghost, man, I get it. I'm not missing the point. My spiel about online communities wouldn't work if I were talking about posts...well, it would, but it would take a lot longer for the whole forum thing to come crashing down if people just deleted their posts.
You're not going to make me go through my entire POST and change every "post" to "thread", now are you? Probably should. Or I could just EDIT: All "posts" are meant to be "threads."
|
|
Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
|
|
|
Nov 17, 2009 - 06:24pm PT
|
what race was ever singled out for ridicule, or even mentioned, here?
|
|
yosguns
climber
Durham, NC
|
|
|
Nov 17, 2009 - 06:25pm PT
|
Tough crowd. Ha ha! Back to Contracts.
|
|
Mason
Trad climber
Yay Area
|
|
|
Nov 17, 2009 - 06:25pm PT
|
Thank Jeff! And as a non-politician I'll still take votes anyway.
Pate - what is that? That's pure gibberish. You're trying too hard, angry leprechaun.
Try this: Kuss eh nana-et agaiym kooni eh kuss madar.
Much easier. And how about we start another thread to avoid hijacking this one. There's still good drama unfolding here.
|
|
Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
|
|
|
Nov 17, 2009 - 06:25pm PT
|
But Davie you ARE a racist homofobic moron
Maybe. But don't forget that I'm a racist homophobic moron with pictures of you that you don't want published here. So you better delete your post or yer in BIG trouble.
But wait, if you start deleting posts, that means you are a homo who hates moronic fascists.
Oh, I'm getting so confused...
And Yosguns, I know you know that I knew what you thought you were tyring to say, but I just wasn't sure all them raciist moronic homophobes that read ST would get it.
|
|
yosguns
climber
Durham, NC
|
|
|
Nov 17, 2009 - 06:28pm PT
|
Tami, you're right! Racist homophobic moron or moronic homophobic racist works quite well:
What is the purpose of an online forum? To share information, post up random thoughts, "art," and a whole multitude of other things. One trait of this forum is that you are not bound to what you Racist homophobic moron if you start a moronic homophobic racist because you can delete it. However, it seems the majority here holds itself to a fairly strong ethic of NOT deleting moronic homophobic racist.
I can see why. If just enough people deleted their moronic homophobic racist often enough, the incentive to post--and spend time constructing finely crafted prose...eh hemm--would be compromised, since it wouldn't be as likely that you'd be rewarded for your efforts by being able to share information, random thoughts (all those purposes of an online forum listed above) and receiving other people's feedback...
|
|
yosguns
climber
Durham, NC
|
|
|
Nov 17, 2009 - 06:29pm PT
|
DELETE.
|
|
drljefe
climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
|
|
|
Nov 17, 2009 - 06:35pm PT
|
"If t*r would just burn one and mellow out..."...
I THINK I recall that t*r is AGAINST that as well..."
Yep she is.
Bad
Bad Bad
Bad Bad Bad.
Hey t*r- it's all good.
t*r is the gnarliest troll on the taco.
proven.
|
|
Karen
Trad climber
So Cal urban sprawl Hell
|
|
|
Nov 17, 2009 - 06:35pm PT
|
We need to add more to it,..."Racist, right-wing, fascist, homophobic, sexist, moron...."
|
|
Strider
Trad climber
one of god's mountain temples....
|
|
|
Nov 17, 2009 - 06:37pm PT
|
Some people require drama in their lives or they feel they have no life at all.
TR is one of those people.
Act accordingly.
I stopped even reading her posts years ago and it has worked out well. I don't waste time reading stupid, inane, childish posts and have thus saved years of wasted time in my life.
I suggest ya'll do the same.
peace
-n
|
|
yosguns
climber
Durham, NC
|
|
|
Nov 17, 2009 - 06:37pm PT
|
WOOT! "Racist, right-wing, fascist, homophobic, sexist, UNGRAMMATICAL moron...."
EDIT: Sorry, I taught English for a while. Please don't run me out of town.
|
|
|
SuperTopo on the Web
|
Let us know!