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graniteclimber
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I mean to say, these petty minded Supertopo posters are the same ones who vociferously denied the evidence that some have held forth that the Pentagon 9-11 airplane discrepancies were being promoted by idiots with no knowledge of actual flight characteristics of jumbo jets.
We are dealing with the same crazy lunatic goofballs who think that 9-11 was an "inside job." hahahahahah
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graniteclimber
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Nowhere
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Seen in another thread, but more fitting here.
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graniteclimber
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Nowhere
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"you are a fake intellectual, a troll and a fraud as a man of intellect. Just another idiot."
Maybe so.
But I am a fake intellectual with a job.
Rox, if you put a quarter the effort into finding a job as you did into your um, "research" in this thread, you'd have found a job long long time ago.
Maybe you could sell hats.
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graniteclimber
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Rokjox, 10:11 PM: "you are a fake intellectual, a troll and a fraud as a man of intellect. Just another idiot."
Rokjox, 10:39 PM: "Ad Hominen attacks. The refuge of a fraud."
Rox, go to your doctor. Ask to be evaluated for Bipolar II Disorder.
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graniteclimber
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Rox, you've been unemployed for THREE years now?
How times flies when you are having fun.
Now I understand why you don't have a job. You say you are spending countless hours to this thread! To me it is just a passing amusement. I ask myself, can people really be this crazy? (Yes, they can!)
In a few days or a few months, this thread will be dead, just like your employment prospects, and you will have nothing to show for all your time.
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Wonder
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WA
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Graniteclimber, whats your problem with not having a job. I love it when I might have a day, a week or more without a job, I might get some freedom to do whatever I want to do. Be an American. Are you against being an American Mr Climber? Are you against freedom?
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healyje
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Portland, Oregon
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Well, someone was smart enough to archive the references Pye supplied before he deleted them from his website:
References
1. Joel D. Wallach, BS, DVM, ND (Comparative Pathologist), “Preliminary Histology Report – Starchild Project,” unpublished, July 7 1999, 1.
2. Ken Pye, PhD, Director Kenneth Pye Associates Ltd., “Summary of ‘inorganic’ chemistry work done to date,” unpublished, received June 1 2005, p1 (referencing fig. 2).
3. Ted Robinson, M.D., LMCC, FRCS (c), Vancouver, B.C., “A Preliminary Analysis of a Highly Unusual Human-Like Skull,” StarchildProject, 25 Sept 2004, 4.
4. Ted Robinson, “Preliminary Analysis,” 6.
5. Ted Robinson, “Preliminary Analysis,” 12.
6. Ted Robinson, “Preliminary Analysis,” 7.
7. Lloyd Pye, “A Condensed Analysis of Two Unusual Skulls of Uncertain Origin,” StarchildProject.
8. Ted Robinson, “Preliminary Analysis,” 18.
9. Ken Pye, “Summary of ‘inorganic’ chemistry”, p1-2, fig 1.
10. Ted Robinson, “Preliminary Analysis,” 15.
11. Ted Robinson, “Preliminary Analysis,” 12.
12. Ted Robinson, “Preliminary Analysis,” 3.
13. Ibid.
14. Lloyd Pye, “Starchild: Fibers and Residue” (slideshow presentation), StarchildProject, slide 2
15. Jason Eshleman, MA, PhD, Director, Trace Genetics, Richmond, CA, “Report on the DNA analysis from skeletal remains from two skulls,” Trace Genetics,StarchildProject, 12 Aug 2003, 2-4.
16.Ted Robinson, “Preliminary Analysis,” 4.
17. Lloyd Pye, “Starchild: Fibers and Residue” (slideshow presentation), StarchildProject, slide 18.
And starting with Ted himself (Ted Robinson, M.D., LMCC, FRCS (c), Vancouver, B.C.) he apparently is not a Fellow of the Royal College of Surgeons - feel free to check yourself or to find any references for him outside of Starchild.
And then of course there are the ten specialists Ted says corroborate his take on the skull:
Dr. Fred Smith, Head of Pediatrics, Children’s Hospital, New Orleans, La.
Dr. David Hodges, Radiologist, Royal Columbian Hospital, New Westminster, B.C.
Dr. John Bachynsky, Radiologist, New Westminster, B.C.
Dr. Ken Poskitt, Pediatric Neuroradiologist, Vancouver Children’s Hospital
Dr. Ian Jackson, (formerly of Mayo Clinic), Craniofacial Plastic Surgeon, Michigan
Dr. John McNicoll, Craniofacial Plastic Surgeon, Seattle
Dr. Mike Kaburda, Oral Surgeon, New Westminster, B.C.
Dr. Tony Townsend, Ophthalmologist, Vancouver
Dr. Hugh Parsons, Ophthalmologist, Vancouver
Dr David Sweet, Forensic Odontologist, Vancouver
Just try and find some non-skychild google references to this crew - Dr. Fred Smith doesn't seem to exist. The only Canadian Dr. John Bachynsky is a pharamcist. Dr. Ian Jackson appears legit. "Dr. John McNicoll" lived and published, in 1881. Dr. David Hodges is legit.
Dr. Mike Kaburda is well-known, for strippers:
In 1973, the Ski Boot Motel was sold to new owners for $350,000. Details about the sale and any changes made to the building are difficult to come by as they predate the incorporation of the municipality and records are either non-existent or have disappeared. The earliest available building plans are from 1978.
Dr. Michael Kaburda and three of his friends purchased and operated the property from 1976 to 1978, renaming the lodge the White Gold Inn. Kaburda takes credit for introducing exotic dancing to Whistler, and therefore as the originator of the Boot Ballet perhaps deserves a special place in the history of Whistler’s cultural development.
http://www.piquenewsmagazine.com/pique/index.php?view=login&redirect=content&cat=&content=Feature%201317
Dr. Tony Townsend doesn't exist whereas Dr. Hugh Parsons and Dr. David Sweet do.
I count three legit cites in the list and you'd have to see exactly what they wrote about it to know anything. None of what's cited above is peer-reviewed and Pye shopped hard for a commercial DNA lab when any number of educational institutions in Canada and the US would have done it. All in all complete and utter bullsh#t with no 'science' involved at all.
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bmacd
Trad climber
100% Canadian
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Those guys made a fortune selling the Boot hotel to condo developers, or they did it themselves, I'm not sure which. I had many fine experiences at the Boot. Stripers were only 3 nights a week. Best halloween parties ever at the Boot too.
How does making a stack of cash owning and operating the Boot PUB in Whistler reflect badly on your credibility ?? Whistler real estate was better than gold. Myself and the Boot owners did very well on it.
Failed logic AGAIN healyje.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Again, that's your citation? A real expert no doubt. But of course there's no presentation whatsoever of what he may or may not have actually documented. In fact, nothing from any of the ten is presented in their own documentation. Tripe.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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There are no peer-reviewed scientific papers of any kind on the 'starchild' skull. In fact, Pye hasn't released a single document from any of the people Robinson claims examined it. And after the 'Kennewick Man' episode, there is no shortage of organized resources to do any number of reputable peer-reviewed examinations of the skull in question. Hell, he could just drop it by BC Children's hospital and get opinions on the record. UW Seattle has a specialty in Medical Anthropology and would likely be happy to look at it. Scientists of all stripes would be clamoring to get at it if they thought there was anything there.
Sadly, a simple google image search brings up a unfortunate litany of such 'alien' children of human parents.
http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&q=hydrocephalus&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1475&bih=890
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 6, 2010 - 12:11am PT
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Many of you will just dismiss this out of hand, and think it is Bat-poop-crazy, but those who really want to know more and really want to know what is going on then you will give it an interesting listen . . .
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Russ Dizdar’s Website: Shatter the Darkness.net
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Russ Dizdar’s Bio: (Normally, I don’t trust LEOs much. Russ, I could trust. Why can’t more police officer’s be like him?)
http://www.shatterthedarkness.net/page32.html
One of his books:
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Russ Dizdar: Mind Control Conference, the black awakening
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7449168936702962073&hl=en#
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"Deception always leads to destruction."
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Tony Bird
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Northridge, CA
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klim, have you checked out david icke? he's kinda like you, except he isn't christian. lotta people get excited about him and i think they pay $80 for a ticket to hear him speak. i check his website from time to time--he seems to have the inside track on the power game in europe, which really seems to dictate what gets done in the u.s.a., which has become kind of a puppet. but i'll never believe that lizardmen bred with earthlings and that dick cheney shape-shifts back into one when he's having a senior moment. for one thing, it'd be an insult to lizards, decent little critters of some dignity just trying to make a living like the rest of us.
i'm afraid healyje's little gallery is pretty telling. can we get back to the paranormal now?
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graniteclimber
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Nowhere
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Oh no! He's baaaaaaack!
Bat-poop-crazy
But he finally got it right!
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 6, 2010 - 09:45am PT
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Tony,
Yes, I know about David Icke. I have watched his interview with a former Occult High Preistess. Several times. Very strange. She says she witnessed these things and they are for real. She is now in protective custody with those who truly care about her. This has connections all the way to the Vatican, deep down in the Vatican -- literally.
I know that what Lucifer is capable of doing is very evil, dark, sinister and yes he does have powers. But they are limited.
I know all of this is bizarre, but there are those like Russ who work in this mission field every day and they know it and see it all the time. Personally, I don't ever care to witness this stuff. I know it is real, and we as believers have far greater powers than the evil one, and true believers can cast out devils just like Jesus did. But it is scary stuff.
I would say that is a wonderful benefit from being close to GOD, protection from evil. Why wouldn't anyone want this? You care about yourself, your family, and your friends? So why doesn't everyone come running to GOD? Abductions stop when those people experiencing them turn to GOD.
What are you waiting for? Would be my answer. But, I know how it is. I went through it too. I rebelled and left GOD. I'm glad he is a forgiving GOD. Like the Prodigal Son, he took me back. :-))
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Tony Bird
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Northridge, CA
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klim, you're just carrying on a mythological struggle that began with the prokaryotic. god never wins the fight. lucifer never gets thrust into hell, despite all the prayers for it. if god is all-powerful, he's playing games with us, as he did with poor old job, making side bets with lucifer. god should sign up for the compulsive gambler's 12-step. then he'd have to pray to a "higher power".
i did go to a couple religious colleges, klim, loyola university of chicago and st. thomas university (then college) in st. paul, minnesota. i have to tell you that catholics are a lot more sophisticated, intellectually, than most christians, yourself included. no offense intended, you're an educated guy in your own way, but i think your religion is a child's religion, and not in a good sense. i'd live and let live in the belief department, except that i think belief is part of the problem of our times, and we're both in agreement on what some of the problems are. belief divides us and prevents us from acting together when we need to. i think it has become part of a not-so-divine plan.
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
I've lost track...
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Dalai Lama:
We can think of honesty and dishonesty in terms of the relationship between appearance and reality. Sometimes these synchronize, often they do not; but when they do, that is honesty, as I understand it. So we are honest when our actions are what they seem to be. When we pretend to be one thing but in reality we are something else, suspicion develops in others, causing fear. And fear is something we all wish to avoid.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Port, just remember that Rox will call you a "fraud" unless you watch ALL of the videos.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 6, 2010 - 01:14pm PT
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klim, you're just carrying on a mythological struggle that began with the prokaryotic. god never wins the fight. lucifer never gets thrust into hell, despite all the prayers for it. if god is all-powerful, he's playing games with us, as he did with poor old job, making side bets with lucifer. god should sign up for the compulsive gambler's 12-step. then he'd have to pray to a "higher power".
Tony, it is easy to see you know the stories and perhaps have read The Good Book, but it is easy to see you also dimiss it ou of hand. But so much of the Good Book addresses these issues. GOD is straight and honest the entire time. He doesn't lie. He tells the truth. He also tells you what is coming before it happens. We know why Lucifer fell. We know what he was thinking. We also know that GOD called him on it, and there is a coming destruction of Lucifer and his minions.
The Good Book would also tell you, Who are you to judge GOD? Who are you to tell GOD what to do? His ways are not our ways. We do not have a complete picture, he does. We can not understand all of it right now, that is for sure. But I trust him. Apparently you do not. You think he has something up his sleeve. Apparently you do not know the life and love of Jesus Christ if you think that. Jesus Christ, Emmanuel, GOD with us. He proved who he is and how he cares. He also told us once again, what will happen before it happens. He told us not to be afraid.
I trust him.
i did go to a couple religious colleges, klim, loyola university of chicago and st. thomas university (then college) in st. paul, minnesota. i have to tell you that catholics are a lot more sophisticated, intellectually, than most christians, yourself included. no offense intended, you're an educated guy in your own way, but i think your religion is a child's religion, and not in a good sense. i'd live and let live in the belief department, except that i think belief is part of the problem of our times, and we're both in agreement on what some of the problems are. belief divides us and prevents us from acting together when we need to. i think it has become part of a not-so-divine plan.
Why did you go to Religious Colleges? Did you want to or did your parents force you? It is obvious that you reject it all. So did you waste your time?
Once again you assume too much. I know a great deal about Catholicism, my children go to Catholic school. We are Protestant. My family is most closely Methodist. My wife and I decided to send our children to Catholic school because they would be safe, learn about GOD, prayer, the Golden Rule, and miss the Middle School hell of public school. They will probably return to public school in High School after a good moral foundation. The Catholic faith is Christian. Not sure why you would think it is not. Do I agree with all the Catholic Doctrine? No. At the surface Catholicism is fine, it is only the deep deep doctrines that most don't know about that I don't agree with. Sacraments: does the Wine and Bread really turn into the blood and body of Jesus? No it does not. Yet, that is what Catholic doctrine says happens. Most Catholics do not know this. In Catholic School, my children will get a regular secular education. They learn and are taught Evolution, and not a 6 day, 6000 year old Earth story. Once again we are Theistic Evolutionists. The Earth is 4.56 - 4.6 Billion years old, just as science has discovered it is. GOD doesn't lie. But people can and do misinterpret the Bible. Check out PhD Gerald Schroeder, The Science of GOD.
I would completely disagree with you about belief. The only reason the Earth hasn't been destroyed yet, and why evil hasn't completely run rampant all over Earth, is because of those who TRULY believe. Like Jesus said, believers are the Salt of the Earth. We preserve it. Blessed are the Peace makers.
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