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bluering
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Santa Clara, Ca.
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Feb 15, 2010 - 08:04pm PT
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People railing against the establishment by joining an organization born by Dick Armey... good laughs. Thanks, Ron. States' rights is a classic dog whistle issue, like gun control, and Dick and the tea party use it well but the overarching meme so far from the tea party is ignorant racism and unbridled hatred. Guess people needed some sort of outlet. Thanks, Dick.
What? The tea-party stuff was around before Dick Armey. He just jumped onboard.
Ignorant racism and unbridled hatred? Sounds like your trying to throw 'hateful' labels around.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 15, 2010 - 08:43pm PT
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Blue, I remember how you asked for factual accuracy regarding the tax issue.
I assume you are now also interested in accuracy regarding your claim
that "tea parties" were around before Dick Armey "jumped aboard".
Blue, I respectfully disagree.
My memory, and internet and news media searching, have come up with
zero references to any tea parties prior to Obama being inaugurated on
January 20th of last year, 2009.
Before this, for many years there were annual demonstrations on April 15th
protesting against paying income tax.
It was Dick Armey who started the conservative organisation "FreedomWorks"
that sent his employee, Mary Rokovich, on February 10, 2009 to "protest"
Obama at a Townhall meeting in Florida,
All tea party events from then on were prominently covered, and even
"starred" Fox News TV talking heads, along with FreedomWorks financial
support.
Blue, I find no evidence of any modern day tea party activity prior
to Dick Armey's involvement shortly after Obama was inaugurated.
Will you please show me where you got your information, sources, links?
Thank you
norton
edit: and Blue, you are absolutely right that people on the left DO
charge the tea party goers are, yes, seemingly to be racist and ignorant
of the specifics of government spending and policies, so if those are
hateful things to say, when then yes, a duck is a duck, you got it!
We DO have people on the left who are hateful, just like there are
people on the right that are hateful. Emotion does not belong to any
particular political party.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Feb 15, 2010 - 08:53pm PT
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BVB wrote: i kinda miss leb.
Wonder why she/he left??
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Feb 15, 2010 - 08:55pm PT
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I think you're wrong, Norton, they were a response to the Cnbc commentator that said middle-class people were tired of getting pushed around. It;s a direct response to lowering taxes and less Federal spending. Has nothing to do with succession or racism.
I forget the CNBC anchors name, but he started it...inadvertantly.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Feb 15, 2010 - 09:01pm PT
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Here it is...this started the ball rolling. Rick Santelli (a paesano, God bless him) started it;
http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1039849853
EDIT: Don't make the mistake, Locker, that's how they play out their illusion. Mix facts with distortion and lies....
The news isn't ALWAYS wrong, just distorted.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 15, 2010 - 09:16pm PT
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Of ANY "conservative" who posts here, Blue is the most directly honest.
I may disagree with him on some things, not all, but he is the ONLY
conservative who has the guts and honesty to say that Fox News is
as wrong as any other "News" organisation.
Can't remember that kind of honesty coming from anyone else on the right.
I admire that, I wish there were more like that.
I take a bow to Blue, and thank him for that.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Feb 15, 2010 - 09:47pm PT
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I agree with you Norton about the need for the citizen to do their own honest fact-checking. Too many don't, just trust the Brian Williams', etc.. to sell the goods. You gotta fact check the sh#t man.
The truth lies usually somewhere out there and it's easily discernible when you come across it.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Feb 15, 2010 - 10:55pm PT
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Just don't go to Fox News for the facts
There are no Facts being discussed there, its just pure spin, lies, distortion, snark
and plain old stupidity
Yeah, we should just listen to Brian Williams, NBC, and the Huffington Post...then we'll be fine.
Spoken like a true 'patriot' idiot. You're a fool....
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 15, 2010 - 11:13pm PT
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I think the difference is that Fox News has an agenda driven by their
owner, Murdoch, that extends to the message that comes from their main
talking heads of Hannity, Beck, and Reilly, and then is parroted by
their generic commentators: and that agenda is expressly specifically,
to be THE official mouth piece of the GOP, and to attack and oppose
the Democratic Party and its politicians.
Fox News is constantly called on the carpet for it outright misstatements,
and distortions of known facts.
Fox is lucky to draw 2-3 million viewers a night.
The major media outlets of NBC, ABC, and CBS draw well over 20 million
viewers a night, ten time more than Fox.
CNN and MSNBC are well behind, drawing somewhere around a million.
The above TV media outlets are rarely, rarely, factually wrong.
When they report, they make a sincere effort to verify the accuracy
of what they are presenting as news, and also commentary is fact based.
The opposite is true of Fox, they have no sense of truthful, factual
reporting when it comes to reporting on the Democrats. They constantly
outright lie and misrepresent facts, every single day, in fact they
were the ONLY TV media outlet to openly promote the outright LIE that
the health bill had "government death panels". They openly use these
lies to fearmonger and scare viewers to being anti-Democrat.
Anyone who believes that News organisations should ethically tell the
truth and not deliberately distort facts to further an agenda knows
full well that Fox News is by far and away the biggest offender.
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Feb 16, 2010 - 12:21am PT
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I think the difference is that the medicated norton has an agenda driven by
his inability to perceive reality in such a state.
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apogee
climber
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Feb 16, 2010 - 12:50am PT
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Does Evan Bayh's announcement today remind anybody of another 'quitter' politician on the right?
Is anybody else thinking about how, for all of Bayh's talk of disappointment in the workings of government, that he has higher aspirations....say, Bayh '16? Or even Bayh '12, as a GOP convert?
Hmmm....
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apogee
climber
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Feb 16, 2010 - 12:59am PT
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Thanks for the tip, Locker- I put it on my NetFlix queue.
All the King's Men
(1949) NR
Willie Stark (Broderick Crawford) is a model politician -- until he's corrupted by the very system he tries to reform.
Gee....who does that sound like?
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Feb 16, 2010 - 02:13am PT
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It's amusing that the so-called Tea Party Convention, in Nashville on February 4th, was organized by the "Tea Party Nation Corporation". (Cute, trendy name, eh?) The latter, unlike other political parties, is a for-profit business. The paid attendance, at US$549/person, was about 600. Sarah Palin, the erstwhile vice-presidential candidate and lame duck, was reportedly paid $100,000 for speaking, that is about 1/3 of the fees.
I suspect that there were more people at the original Boston Tea Party, when your country had 1% of the population and economy it has now. Pretty lame, and apparently representing few besides the shrill cranks.
It's also interesting in that February 13th was the 50th anniversary of the peaceful Nashville lunch counter sit-ins, which were an important part of the desegration movement. I wonder if it was a coincidence like Ronald Reagan's first speech, after he was nominated in 1980, being in Philadelphia, Mississippi - where three civil rights workers were murdered by white supremacists in 1964.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Feb 16, 2010 - 08:05am PT
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"Booky, your praise is so insanely posted, going on about giving terrorist civil liberties, which they always had, and will continue to have
If people (they are not terrorists) are killed in battle, what does that have to do with anything you are trying to say"
so, "terrorists" "always had" civil liberties? so, when ksm was plotting 9/11, he had all the rights of any other american citizen...even though he wasn't living in america? does that mean EVERYBODY in the world has all the same "civil liberties" as american citizens? sounds rather imperialistic of you, f
now, you seem to suggest "they" are only terrorists if we capture them, but if we kill them, they're just "people"...but why are we killing people? i mean, i can completely understand using unmanned drones flying at 10,000 feet to target terrorists, BUT i'm completely against using our military power to attack "people"; that just seems wrong to me...i mean, even YOU are "people", f, and i would certainly criticize barry for killing you...unless, of course, he did it to protect the environment because then, you know, you'd be making a sacrifice for a cause you believe in so i guess i'd have to praise barry for that, too...but i digress
so, let's be clear, it's good to kill "people" in battle (drone attacks being a surprisingly loose definition of battle for you, f)...but if they're terrorists, then we must capture them and give them trials?
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 16, 2010 - 09:24am PT
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KILL FIL.
It's time.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Feb 16, 2010 - 10:17am PT
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Bayh dissed the Dem leadership and didn't bother to give Dirty Harry or BHO a heads up. They found out when the press did.
The moderate Dems have no voice in the now Marxist party now and they know it.
Don't get caught standing in front of an exit door.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Feb 16, 2010 - 10:31am PT
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TGT wrote: The moderate Dems have no voice in the now Marxist party now and they know it.
There is really something wrong with you...Sen Nelson (a bluedog) held the health care bill hostage till he got what he wanted. That's the problem...they have too much to say.
TGT wrote: Bayh dissed the Dem leadership and didn't bother to give Dirty Harry or BHO a heads up. They found out when the press did.
Actually he dissed the republicans for being so extremely partisan but facts mean so little to you.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 16, 2010 - 11:14am PT
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"Facts are irrelevant"
Don't like facts.
Facts get in the way.
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