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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Sep 30, 2010 - 02:23am PT
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What ever you want to call it: "Derelict ET Spaceship," "ET Mothership," a "Massive ET Ark," I don't care. Just don't call it a rock. No rock comes to rest on the Moon of this size without forming a massive crater and then vaporizing in the process. The geomorpology and physics of asteroid and meteor impacts and cratering is very well known now.
This massive ship is intelligently designed. Period.
It's just the edge of the crater. It's rock and dirt. Period.
And Klimmer is crazy. Period.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 30, 2010 - 02:26am PT
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GC,
Try using a stereoscope.
Boy, the head-in-sand debunkers are out tonight.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Sep 30, 2010 - 02:29am PT
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Klimmer using a stereoscope and what he sees with it.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Sep 30, 2010 - 02:47am PT
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must be one of about 10,000 british ufo experts. they love this stuff over there.
tony, $50K is nothing in some government agency budgets ...
my point exactly. :-D
but bmacd tells us this was a personal friend who got rich, so let's assume it was all forthright. i'm afraid his "research" suffered from his unwillingness to get out there and approach those lights. on the other hand, perhaps they'd have disappeared quickly if he had.
here's a well-credentialed fellow who took sasquatch seriously:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grover_Krantz
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edejom
Boulder climber
Butte, America
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Sep 30, 2010 - 03:13am PT
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This one, Rok?
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Sep 30, 2010 - 10:53am PT
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looks like a painting, not stained glass. know where it's from? when it was painted?
the (haha) illumnati (?) artist is using a couple interesting devices. there's the fellow standing on the shore, apparently with a dog, gazing up at it. and if that isn't enough, mary's halo serves as a shadowy finger against the sky, pointing at it directly. subtle, huh?
mother mary--does anyone else find this woman irritating? pate?
this, of course, isn't the only suggestive piece of old artwork. erik von däniken's chariots of the gods, book and movie, proposed many examples, including works of the mayas and incas. then it was all (hahaha) "debunked". i'm sure snopes will be very authoritative with something like "it has all the hallmarks of apocraphality". carl sagan blabbered out his "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence". if a flying saucer in a medieval painting isn't extraordinary, what is?
1967, the time of the incidents covered in this press conference, was also the time of the ohio valley ufo flap which ended with the collapse of the bridge at point pleasant, WV, killing many people, a disaster foretold repeatedly in paranormal events there. john keel's nonfiction mothman prophecies presents some very hardboiled reporting of it. once again, i exhort my fellow armchairers here to check this book out. it can put all this in a different perspective. the 1967 incidents also inspired spielberg's tongue-in-cheek men in black. a lot of real men in black were running around in 1967, and they weren't being quite as rational as will smith and tommy lee jones.
salas reports that an air force office of special investigations rep happened to be on the spot at his remote montana missile site. this would be a typical man in black. he ordered everyone not to talk about what happened, and he even had a nondisclosure form for everyone to sign. salas dutifully clammed up for years.
from the wiki article on keel:
"Once you have established a belief, the phenomenon adjusts its manifestations to support that belief and thereby escalate it."
"I have come to realize that we have been observing complex forces which have always been an essential part of our environment."
especially to you, klimmer: it isn't about god. a god which plays games, which can't be forthright, isn't worth the worship. it's typical, however, of the favorites-playing judaeo-christian divinity, and you are a sucker for that frame of mind.
i can't explain all this, but i kinda think keel is pointing in the right direction. if you like sasquatch, read what he has to say about the garuda. the paranormal approach suspects some squiggly, corner-of-the-eye function of mind, something which keeps sasquatch forever receding into the woods and ufos forever buzzing off the radar--and which keeps a power elite, playing by a very different set of rules, securely in place.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Sep 30, 2010 - 01:32pm PT
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Ya know, I got to thinking...
Do you think they use WAG Bags? I mean, how do they...
Aw, fergetit.
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
I've lost track...
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Sep 30, 2010 - 07:06pm PT
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Comment after viewing the press release video on UFOs and Nukes; from the eldest member of my family, a WWII USN Captain ret. and AEC/DOE Chief Engineer retired:
"What we have here is a great number of points of truth but a weak connection of the dots, requiring several leaps of faith to arrive at the assumptions of of a super-government and machines that can accomplish solutions to all of mankind's problems and needs. The underlying agenda of "no weapons in outer space" seems not to have been proven or disproven.
Vetting such truths to congress is the wrong venue, because they are political animals."
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Sep 30, 2010 - 10:11pm PT
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I damn well am violent, and don't you forget it, 'cause I will kick your ass for pissing me off if I think I can get away with it. If I think I can't, I will take it out on your car.
I fully believe God fights on the side with the biggest guns, (that means indirect artillery, not rifles and other popguns).
I'll tell the truth to you or almost anybody, face to face, except to judges, cops and my wife. (Please, no voice recorders ...)
I know I have a lot to lose, and I will fight like hell to keep it. I really have no idea if I have a soul, but if I do, I will confront that when I have to. I fully expect it will be small and black.
And I don't give a DAMN about your constitutional rights. Thats for the Fed to worry about.
I got Lawyers cards in my wallet all the time, and they take my calls, knowing I got money and I pay up. More importantly, I know how to contact a mean assed SOB who will break any law for money, and he has some mean assed ex military friends that behave likewise, and they are BORED most of the time.
I am a fearful man, cautious to paranoia, and if you are scary enough to scare ME, you'd better not, because a big man may beat hell out of you for fun, but a scared small man will KILL you ASAP. (And that is a truism you can take to the bank, Baby.)
is there any wonder why some think you are such a a-hole? what a windbag, blowhard pussy......
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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Sep 30, 2010 - 10:15pm PT
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Lois,
Go ask Alice...
Alice Kramden
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Sep 30, 2010 - 10:37pm PT
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It is all the fault of that TV program (and its loud commercials)
hey airhead, how about personal responsibility?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 1, 2010 - 03:15pm PT
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Milton William "Bill" Cooper was way ahead of everyone on all of this information. He was a very brave soul to come out and publish and speak as he did, way ahead of everyone else. Then they shot him.
I've seen many of his talks and presentations via Youtube.
I have his book on my wish list. Sometime I'm going to get it and read it. It is a very important, a very good book, but also a hard and dark book to read. Not a book to cuttle-up with. Scary stuff. Read the reviews.
Behold a Pale Horse [Paperback]
William Cooper (Author)
http://www.amazon.com/Behold-Pale-Horse-William-Cooper/dp/0929385225/ref=wl_it_dp_o?ie=UTF8&coliid=IO2IA15U5LALF&colid=2GL3DFQ4AXH2G
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
I've lost track...
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I've read his book.
"There has been a plan in effect since at least 1917 to create, create, an artificial Extraterrestrial threat to the planet Earth, so as to bring about a one-world, Luciferian Totalitarian socialist government. This Extraterrestrial propaganda has been promoted through movies, through books, in the newspapers; so as to create the idea in the public mind that this phenomena related to Extraterrestrials is real and that the threat is real." - Milton William Cooper
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_William_Cooper
it's hard to know what to believe, other than it is obvious that a lot people in positions of authority are doing a lot of lying...
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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"There has been a plan in effect since at least 1917 to create, create, an artificial Extraterrestrial threat to the planet Earth, so as to bring about a one-world, Luciferian Totalitarian socialist government. This Extraterrestrial propaganda has been promoted through movies, through books, in the newspapers; so as to create the idea in the public mind that this phenomena related to Extraterrestrials is real and that the threat is real." - Milton William Cooper
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_William_Cooper
it's hard to know what to believe, other than it is obvious that a lot people in positions of authority are doing a lot of lying...
So if they say aliens exist they are lying, and if they say they don't they are lying? You are sure that it is a conspiracy, but are trying to decide whether it is a conspiracy to hide the existence of aliens or whether it is a conspiracy to promote non-existent aliens.
Have you and Klimmer considered whether you are crazy paranoid? Klimmer has to be the biggest nutcase on Supertopo!
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bmacd
Trad climber
100% Canadian
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Tom,
in the wiki article about Cooper it says this:
In June 2001 he warned publicly about an important terrorist attack on United States of America that would be blamed on Osama Bin Laden.[8]
futher down regarding his death:
According to police accounts, when the deputies identified themselves, Cooper fled back toward his house, drew a handgun, and began shooting. One deputy was shot in the head and was hospitalized in critical condition.[10] Another deputy returned fire, killing Cooper. No medical assistance was attempted nor implemented until after his confirmed death.[citation needed] His body laid for up to but no longer than 18 hours and no media outlets were allowed within 5 miles including in the air so as that no news helicopters could fly overhead.[citation needed] He was shot 6 times the last of which being located directly behind the right ear. A holster was logged into the police report but no gun ever turned up from his possession.[citation needed]
Many of Cooper's fans believe he was murdered by the government in order to silence him and prevent him from "exposing" the 9/11 attacks conspiracy and the New World Order.
sorry to bump the "ark" but there are interesting nuggets that keep popping up in this thread
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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if it'll make you feel any better, klimmer, i spent most of the afternoon on the subject of cooper, who obviously died a death of execution. this sh#t goes on in america, and with impunity. don't think for a minute that we are a nation of real laws and freedoms.
my problem with cooper is contradictions. jesus and lucifer are the same he says, but then he turns around and claims to be a christian, so if you're a christian, please don't think he's a threat to your beliefs. sounds like a sales ploy. play in peoria. then he gets thick with uneducated jordan maxwell, who makes up all sorts of folk etymologies to explain his theories. maxwell's "research" goes into that disinformaganza zeitgeist, where, among other miracles, stars wander through the heavens like planets.
"my little mind grows weary of this great world," quoth portia.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 2, 2010 - 07:28am PT
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Hey they found a copy of the long lost Apollo 11 films!
Long-lost footage of Apollo 11 moon landing to be screened
Long-lost footage of Neil Armstrong descending the ladder of the Apollo 11 lunar module will be screened in public for the first time in Sydney next week, according to a prominent astronomer.
Published: 4:19PM BST 28 Sep 2010
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/8030499/Long-lost-footage-of-Apollo-11-moon-landing-to-be-screened.html
I wonder if the color on the Lunar surface will be more realistic now? HHHhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
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