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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Apr 26, 2018 - 09:07am PT
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Only the mob take the fifth Trump, 2016
If you're innocent, why are you taking the fifth Trump
Only the guilty take the fifth Trump
Cohen takes the fifth
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Apr 26, 2018 - 09:20am PT
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To still be a trump supporter you have to be in total denial that:
a) he's stacked every agency with corrupt carpetbaggers who's sole intent is undermining and dismantling every form of rights and protection low and middle-class workers currently enjoy and to remove every form of government oversight of corporations possible
b) he's absolutely clueless with regard to any aspect of foreign policy
c) he's a devout white nationalist racist more beholden to other white nationalist regimes than to the U.S., its constitution, or to our democracy
d) he's an inveterate liar and sociopath
e) he's a traitor
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dirtbag
climber
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Apr 26, 2018 - 09:25am PT
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To still be a trump supporter you have to be in total denial that:
To many of his supporters, some of those things, particularly white nationalism, are features, not bugs.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Apr 26, 2018 - 10:32am PT
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he's a devout white nationalist racist more beholden to other white nationalist regimes than to the U.S., its constitution, or to our democracy
Baseless haterade.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Apr 26, 2018 - 11:09am PT
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To still be a trump supporter you have to be in total denial that:
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To many of his supporters, some of those things, particularly white nationalism, are features, not bugs.
Tell it to Kanye, Trump's new bestie.
As for Trump being a traitor, we've been over that -- basically a complete lack of evidence to support that far fetched theory, notwithstanding the massive witch hunt that's been going on since he was a candidate.
As for the Russian "interference" in the election--probably should be an investigation, and there is. Some of it is just giving us a taste of our own medicine, some of it was probably a public good (releasing DNC wrongdoing, even though it may have been the result of some sort of hacking, just like a lot of whistle blowing), some of it likely was malicious from our point of view.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Apr 26, 2018 - 11:15am PT
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Baseless haterade.
Don't make my case...
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dirtbag
climber
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Apr 26, 2018 - 11:26am PT
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Tell it to Kanye, Trump's new bestie.
Hey Kanye, the object of your man crush is a racist, with a lengthy career of discriminating against African Americans and praising white supremacists.
There. Easy.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Apr 26, 2018 - 11:27am PT
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You know you are running out of ammo when you say "Look, Kanye likes me"
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Apr 26, 2018 - 11:27am PT
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healyje
Apr 26, 2018 - 11:15am PT
Don't make my case...
How about you make your case?
As it stands, your claim is nothing more than shrill hyperbolic nonsense.
Go ahead. Explain how Trump is a devout white nationalist racist, who favors other white nationalist regimes.
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Apr 26, 2018 - 11:32am PT
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I thought this was an exaggeration, but now I realize it's true. At least for some voters. He could literally murder someone and many people would believe whatever BS they needed to because they don't have the mental fortitude to examine their beliefs and admit they could be wrong.
That that is true of many Trump voters isn't my greatest worry.
My bigger worry is that Trump could publicly murder someone and the Republican congress wouldn't impeach him.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Apr 26, 2018 - 11:34am PT
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I thought this was an exaggeration, but now I realize it's true. At least for some voters. He could literally murder someone and many people would believe whatever BS they needed to because they don't have the mental fortitude to examine their beliefs and admit they could be wrong.
Enough with the Vince Foster business.;-(
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Apr 26, 2018 - 11:53am PT
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How about you make your case?
Make my case that his supporters are in denial about his racism and affinity for other white nationalist regimes?
Just by the fact they would still support him regardless. The fact he is a racist and is a white nationalist is way beyond dispute and you'd have to be suffering from said denial to believe otherwise.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Apr 26, 2018 - 12:22pm PT
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There are good people on both sides here.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Apr 26, 2018 - 01:07pm PT
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Of course there are good people on both sides, but that's my point - that good people who still support trump are either duped, blind, oblivious or in denial.
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Apr 26, 2018 - 01:08pm PT
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yes, much like Charlottesville
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Apr 26, 2018 - 01:11pm PT
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Make my case that his supporters are in denial about his racism and affinity for other white nationalist regimes?
Just by the fact they would still support him regardless. The fact he is a racist and is a white nationalist is way beyond dispute and you'd have to be suffering from said denial to believe otherwise.
Nice job, avoiding the issue.
Again. Explain how Trump is a devout white nationalist racist, who favors other white nationalist regimes.
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Apr 26, 2018 - 01:21pm PT
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Trump’s real-estate company tried to avoid renting apartments to African-Americans in the 1970s and gave preferential treatment to whites, according to the federal government.
*Trump treated black employees at his casinos differently from whites, according to multiple sources. A former hotel executive said Trump criticized a black accountant: “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks.
He spent years suggesting that the nation’s first black president was born not in the United States but in Kenya, a lie that Trump still has not acknowledged as such.
Trump called Obama (who was editor in chief of the Harvard Law Review) “a terrible student, terrible.”
anyone who to this day does not believe Trump has been and continues to be an ignorant racist is well, just really stupid themself
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Apr 26, 2018 - 02:25pm PT
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Trump called Obama (who was editor in chief of the Harvard Law Review) “a terrible student, terrible.”
Obama did not release his college or law school transcripts.
Under the theory that a president should release things that most people keep confidential just so we can see what they are or were up to (e.g., Trump's tax returns), and if they don't, it's because they are hiding something:
It would be reasonable to conclude that Obama's transcripts would not have been favorable.
There's a theory that Harvard basically gave Obama honors he didn't deserve on merit (remind anyone of a certain Nobel?), and neither Harvard or Obama wanted Obama's actual grades released because that would expose the affair. Not saying I believe this, just that it's out there.
If Obama really had top notch grades, it does seem likely he would have released them, especially since other presidential candidates have done so. (By the same token, I do think Trump's tax returns would expose all sorts of unsavory things.)
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 26, 2018 - 02:40pm PT
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Obama did not release his college or law school transcripts.
Really?
I mean, is that really relevant to any discussion about Trump?
What other president, or top-level government official, has ever released their school transcripts?
And if someone ever has released a school transcript, why not also a copy of their entire SAT test, not just their score? How about their Presidential Fitness Report from high school, showing how many pull-ups they could do? What about how many gold stars they got in first grade? Why are they hiding that from the public? What did they learn, and when did they learn it?
Trump's not releasing his tax forms is highly relevant because disclosure of his finances, especially if he received Russian loans and investments, could reveal that Trump is a big, fat, stupid liar.
Oh, wait.
We already know that.
We don't need to see Trump's tax returns.
And, neither does Robert Mueller. But, I would guess that Mueller's going to subpoena them, anyway, after he examines Cohen's papers.
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