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climber
Just livin' the dream
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Apr 17, 2019 - 02:17pm PT
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Fritz, that loss is heart breaking.
Ditto that, Susan.
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ron gomez
Trad climber
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Apr 17, 2019 - 02:23pm PT
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I could be wrong, but all this was/is spelled out in “terms and conditions, if so then we had notice, we just didn’t pay attention/care about the eventuality. I agree, wish there was a “grace” period with a drop dead date before deletion took place, but it is a done deal. Maybe all of that material is backed up somewhere...maybe knot. So far, I’ve not been effected, but I feel for all those that are.
Peace
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Apr 17, 2019 - 02:31pm PT
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Ron - the issue here is managing the gray area between.
IMO, the root cause of the present problem is a low end, entry level response to being told "jump as high as you can now or else!" because some retard screamed that you had to.
A modicum of experience teaches you when it's more appropriate to tell someone to fuk off and continue with your business.
ST.com = massive copyright violation and personal liability to the owner? No way. Give me a break.
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Apr 17, 2019 - 02:33pm PT
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really? where was it spelled out in the TOS that the mgmt would ASSUME that your personal photos were not yours?
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Trump
climber
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Apr 17, 2019 - 04:09pm PT
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CMac has been hosting a virtual campfire for a while, and if some folks feel like they need to piss on the fire as the evening ends, ok. There’ll be other fires.
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Apr 17, 2019 - 04:21pm PT
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So the implication above that SuperTopo, because it isn't "profitable" is a purely selfless community service on the part of CM.... could be questioned.
I would like to read your thoughts and conclusions questioning why Chris McNamara did not start and continue to run Supertopo as a purely selfless service
what information do you have that the rest of us do not have about Chris and his motives ?
thank you sir
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Apr 17, 2019 - 04:30pm PT
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I have to say ,I have really learned a bit,right here.
Real Estate Agent, says a lot.
I will take the chop and right on Jebus.
Bandwidth =Money.
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A Essex
climber
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Apr 17, 2019 - 07:56pm PT
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nihilist egomaniac
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Apr 17, 2019 - 08:52pm PT
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break on thru to the other side
ST lost tens of thousands of readers when they started banning people who were long in the REAL climbing community. They went from having a rating on the websites that count clicks (like Alexa) to something not even counted any longer. Meaning they lost all their market value many years ago.
The few people left (fewer every year) felt wonderfully self-righteous as each and every climbing member that posted came under inspection and almost every one was found lacking in something, and was ruthlessly heckled until they either left, asking for their lifelong postings be destroyed, or they were ruthlessly banned and their posting deleted.
This went on without shame for the last 10 years. Christ Mac is getting exactly what he has earned. He aint done nothing with the website in many years except try and sell ads thru his equipment "rating" website... the one that never finds a truely bad product. His website is dying as much as a vanity site can ever die. Look at rec climbing; completely dead for many years, yet you can still post there... sorta... I left a prediction (there) that ST would fail the climbing community as a repository of climbing history, in just the way it has. That post got a lot of response out of a truely dead site, I was castigated for leaving a complaint about one site on another... which is funny as Recclimb may outlive ST in the end.
ST is a sellout to the people that created this sport, maintain the sport and will be the future of the sport.
Good riddance to the only claim to cultural relevance that Supertopo ever had, the historical database of intentional first person stories about the beginnings of Yosemite Climbing.
They dont/didnt HAVE to do ANY of this, They Choose Too. They make MONEY off of climbing, they dont want actual climbers now, any more than they have ever have. They want our money and to assume our presumed mantle of institutional power. To pretend to represent Climbers means to assume the power we presumably represent in the outdoor community. Even when what they want is nothing good for climbers, just themselves ...
They are also banning "political" postings. And another Great Purge of posters is going on, mostly without notice or recourse... Hahahahaha... BTDT!
Goodbye to the Remnants of the Facade; the newly irrelevant.
...I Told you So....
Rokjox Bitrakn Teleski
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Apr 17, 2019 - 09:00pm PT
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Well, Rokjox was crazy back then, and it looks like he's still crazy now.
He still holds the record -- even after all these years -- for being the most easily trolled person ever to post on ST. Whenever things got a bit boring here, all one had to do was drop a casual reference to wolves into a post, and it would set Rokjox off for a week's worth of rants.
Does he still provide that kind of hilarity on MP?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 18, 2019 - 10:04am PT
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We all have our trigger points. Dmitri Mendeleev was wont to go into a nice rage somewhat randomly. Rokjox clearly knows how to get along in a given sandbox as evidenced by his considerable successes in life other than more important ones like satisfying the ST echo chamber monitors. Don’t think for a moment he didn’t love letting y’all think he was being trolled.
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Keith Reed
climber
Johnson county TX
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Apr 18, 2019 - 10:38am PT
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/18/interior-department-david-bernhardt-public-lands-corporations
90% or more of the land we climb on is owned by our government. If we as climbers don’t protect it, the land will be privatized. Our sport will go away.
Burying the collective group of climbers head in the sand by forbidding rational conversation is a bad move.
Theres no place to post concerns about access or the environment within ST other than the forum.
Therefore we have no voice amongst ourselves about the issues that affect our sport.
Good luck to you all!
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Apr 18, 2019 - 11:54am PT
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^Yup, Keith is right.
Seems apropos at the moment:
My name is ST-"ozymandias, King of Kings;
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.”
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, Bozeman, the ocean, or ?
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Apr 18, 2019 - 12:30pm PT
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Feels like “all gone, bye bye” around here.
:-(
Susan
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LAhiker
Social climber
Los Angeles
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Apr 18, 2019 - 01:13pm PT
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I hear that some important things happened today, but I guess we can't discuss them here. :-)
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Jim Clipper
climber
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Apr 18, 2019 - 01:26pm PT
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I think that Cmac added cat herder to his resume. Rumor has it, he made some little Cmacs, and they boulder harder than you. The torpor is dead, long live the torpor.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Apr 18, 2019 - 02:01pm PT
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My time on this site kinda died about 3 or 4 years ago, I'll pop in occasionally but the noise absolutely drowns out the content.
Supertopo has started to look like my facebook feed, a bunch of baby boomers high on pills who haven't worked for a decade arguing over nonsense that only exists on the platform they like to argue on, thus fueling a self perpetuating machine of addled delusion.
We could have self policed ourselves, we almost did. Then the loudest kept drowning out the interesting yet quiet, and louder and louder they got until there was no voice but their own.
If you are arguing against Chris and RJ here, it's probably because you are one of those loud mouths. Some of us still rock climb.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Apr 18, 2019 - 02:49pm PT
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I am confused as to why you would think that new-route rock climbing and political engagement are mutually exclusive GDavis....or how seeing the link between rock climbing on public lands and politics somehow negates my ability to go climbing....But then, I must not rock climb enough, right?
Off to go climbing. And then finish cleaning out my stuff here. You guys need any of these leftover rainforest-sourced tissues?
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Gorgeous George
Trad climber
Los Angeles, California
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Apr 18, 2019 - 05:22pm PT
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Not saying anything about nothing is a political statement.
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Reeotch
climber
4 Corners Area
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Apr 19, 2019 - 03:57am PT
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Well crap. Now, what are we going to argue about? Bolting? Sheesh!
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