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micronut
Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
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Nov 30, 2017 - 12:04pm PT
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way cool.
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Gobi
Trad climber
Orange CA
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Nov 30, 2017 - 02:26pm PT
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Thanks for posting that! I always wondered what Jim would yell to me from down there.
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bit'er ol' guy
climber
the past
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Nov 30, 2017 - 02:29pm PT
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I think I saw a turd-in-a-bag on Dolt tower.
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Rexi
climber
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Nov 30, 2017 - 03:08pm PT
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That is a good point Cragman and one that iīve thought about. I was up on Dolt with my brother on one of the attempts that they had just before breaking the record and they flew by when we were eating breakfast.
-and it left me and my brother thinking.. we were very impressed by there skills. but at the same time, the risk factor is crazy and like you say itīs not just the climbers pushing the record taking a risk. This kind of climbing puts up all sorts of scenarios that is highly dangerous for other parties on the same route.
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Mei
Trad climber
mxi2000.net
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Nov 30, 2017 - 09:11pm PT
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Sorry I'll have to disagree, but I think you and you* are over reacting. I normally keep my disagreement quiet because what I think is not that important to other people. However, I feel that there is an implicit accusation that Brad is a selfish bastard who has no regard for another person's life. It's not like he will come up here to defend himself. Someone has to help, so here I am.
A body being cut in half by a tensioned rope on this ledge might be an exaggeration. But more importantly, I'm pretty sure if Brad had thought there was even a 0.1% chance of him falling on this easy down climb, he would not have done it that way. He did admit the speed ascent was a dangerous pursuit, but the danger is definitely not here. And sure, the rope may cause discomfort running in front of that climber, but he -- the climber -- apparently was not mad at all, and was able to extract himself swiftly, which appeared to be well understood by everyone present.
Now, for anything we do, a bystander can probably provide a list of risk factors. You climb right? Following all have happened in real life that I can provide names for:
 Leader has taken a fall onto the belayer and broke her neck
Climber above has pulled rock off and killed a climber below. Happened multiple times, even just within YNP
Haul bags have been dropped that broke legs
If you look at it that way, just the fact that you climb at all could potentially put another person (or others) at risk.
Let's not take this too far ... I for one share the awe that the climbers in the video felt in that amazing moment (ok, 13 minutes) ...
* "you and you" -- that was awkward English, but these days people have high demand for political correctness that I'm afraid that it might sound offensive if I say "you guys".
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Lambone
Big Wall climber
Ashland, Or
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Nov 30, 2017 - 10:34pm PT
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Lil run out...
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Nov 30, 2017 - 10:40pm PT
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Is lil run out a rapper?
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mcreel
climber
Barcelona
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That actually looked less hairy than what I always imagined. The were moving fast, but not crazy. About 8 min between the two of them, on relatively easy ground.
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Rexi
climber
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@Mei
I guess this is the trouble with forums, I did not mean that Brad is a selfish bastard, not at all. I know that climbing is dangerous and with multiple parties on one route there is an inevitable increase in risk.
My point was simply that after watching speed climbers at work it left me thinking about the added risk that me and my brother thought was added to what is happening on a wall. Iīm not saying it is wrong and that one style of climbing is ok and another isnīt, just one more thing to think about. During our short trip in Yosemite we witnessed rockfall on 3 occasions, by climbers simply knocking rocks of ledges by accident. All of those rocks were pushed by speed parties (not brad and Jim) on two occasions the climbers didnīt even notice.. not saying other climbers donīt knock down rocks but to us it seemed to add to the risk.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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* "you and you" -- that was awkward English, but these days people have high demand for political correctness that I'm afraid that it might sound offensive if I say "you guys".
You could have just said "you," which is the second personal plural as well as the second person singular.
Or you could have said "both of you," used their names, or done any number of other things other than "you guys" or "you and you."
There was no reason to say "you and you," which sounds like you're picking people out of a queue or something--it is not the right way to say it.
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Mei
Trad climber
mxi2000.net
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Re: "you and you"
You could have just said "you," which is the second personal plural as well as the second person singular.
Or you could have said "both of you," used their names, or done any number of other things other than "you guys" or "you and you."
There was no reason to say "you and you," which sounds like you're picking people out of a queue or something--it is not the right way to say it.
I apologize for the distraction that silliness has caused. I was just fresh off of a feminism discussion at the time. While I hold the view that feminism can be taken too far (esp. when people start making demands in areas that do not have direct relationship with genders) , I do try to be sensitive to others' needs. Since I was not sure if Rexi was a male or female name, I found myself erasing "you guys" I naturally typed. I did intend to address only two people who appeared to question whether Brad's action was putting others' lives in danger, but you are very right in that there are many better ways to address that than the silly "you and you," which must sound very rude to many native English speakers. It was not my intention, and sorry about the miscommunication. As a matter of fact, the thought popped up in my head a few times that I should just edit my post to remove that silly and irrelevant political correctness attempt, but I forgot to do that every time I sat down in front of my computer. Too late now since it's been quoted.
Back on topic ... I look forward to listening to that podcast interview.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Apr 16, 2018 - 01:42pm PT
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Thanks beverages.
Awesome TR.
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aspendougy
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Apr 16, 2018 - 07:45pm PT
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Dear Fossil Climber:
Back when you did it with Harding, if someone had come up to you and said, "Someday a couple of guys will do the same climb in about two hours and twenty minutes" What do you think you would have said?
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