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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Aug 28, 2010 - 12:04am PT
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Not quite R.B....
State law trumps Fed Law unless it is unconstitutional or violates a Federal law.
Example: The Feds say you can own a fully automatic machine gun.
California Law says you can't. So in Kalifornia it is illegal to possess a machine gun.
Nevada law says it is OK, so...you get the idea.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Aug 28, 2010 - 12:09am PT
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What could possible justify possibly killing Ammon or someone else, just to jump off El Cap?
Good question.
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R.B.
Trad climber
Land of the Volcanic Mud Flow
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Aug 28, 2010 - 12:10am PT
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Mr Shack,
Do you suppose that someone has not the stones to throw at the State of California?
Fed ALWAYS trumps State ... Period ... just because CA says something ... don't make it constitutional (and therefore legal) soo ... it just takes one case to work up through the USA Supreme court to set the "interpretation" but above all ... all state governments swear an oath of allegiance to the USA constitution FIRST then the State constitution (because the state constitution MUST conform to the Fed Constitution.) and in some states, like CA, never the two twins shall meet.
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MTucker
Ice climber
Arizona
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Aug 28, 2010 - 12:13am PT
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COZ AND SHACK
are thinking down the wrong path.
Get you head out of your ass.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Aug 28, 2010 - 12:20am PT
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MTucker, you may want to read closer.
What Coz said and what I said are completely different.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Aug 28, 2010 - 12:22am PT
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It's a sorry old tale,
some young person decides to flaunt "the law" in a way not injurious to others
the authorities are determined not to allow that to happen
things escalate on both sides, each upping the ante, each more and more determined to see their side prevail
then something happens and someone is hurt or killed
and we are left asking, was it really so important that the ends were justified?
In my eyes, the "authorities" have the responsibility not to let the escalation happen on their side, as they have the ability to wield lethal force, so the consequences of their actions can be extreme.
There are other ways to apprehend someone besides running them down and forcing them to submit. It's just a matter of cost at best.
At worst it is a show of might.
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MTucker
Ice climber
Arizona
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Aug 28, 2010 - 12:31am PT
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Shack,
It is not a good question.
The tasering was not because of the jump.
I will give you related.
Saying anything remotely about " rangers are killing because of base jumping" (Fox News Spin) is ridiculous and I will call you out.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Aug 28, 2010 - 12:35am PT
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Do you suppose that someone has not the stones to throw at the State of California?
Many stones have been thrown R.B. by many different people/groups like NRA etc.
Basically since Kal law still allows someone to technically "keep and bear arms" the Feds won't do anything. The courts hear cases all the time challenging the laws and restrictions already in place as well as the multitude that Kal wants to pass, but until it gets to a Federal or Supreme court level it doesn't mean anything.
You see, it goes back to States Rights versus Federal rights.
States do have the power to make their own laws. The Feds should stay out of states business and just do the things that are required at the Federal level.
Example: Kalifornia has the right to allow Medical Marijuana in this scenario. there shouldn't be any Federal ban on Maryjane.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Aug 28, 2010 - 12:41am PT
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Gentlemen please, let's all ban together for some grammar and spelling.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Aug 28, 2010 - 12:50am PT
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Sorry Tucker, you are misunderstanding my post.
If you read all of my posts you might get a better idea.
In that post in response to Coz was pointing out the irony of being shocked that the rangers would,
"risk injuring or possibly killing" Ammon,
when in fact Ammon had already placed himself at "risk of injury or possibly killing" himself simply by doing what he did.
Don't tell me he didn't know what was in store.
He has been around and knew of all those that had gone before.
There are lots of stories out there that go way back.
I wish he had gotten away, but he knew getting caught was a possibility.
Was it GDavis that said he probably would've taken a Taze on a dare anyways?
Sucks, but the charges are probably more substantial now.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Aug 28, 2010 - 12:52am PT
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Sorry Wade, you obviously have no idea how lazy I am. :)
There, I fixed it.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Aug 28, 2010 - 12:58am PT
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Shack- 'round these parts you're Literati.
I was broadcasting to a wider audience...
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Aug 28, 2010 - 01:21am PT
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obviously there was a mis calculation on somebody's part.
the base jumper never should have been seen in the first place.
maybe he was all wired up on red bull or something.
i almost got tasered the other day by a traffic cop after 16 red bulls.
i ran over some cones to get into Kirks Steakburgers, so i am in line and the next thing ya know, johhny law is taking me outside,
sat me down on the side walk but i talked my way out with a cheeseburger.
never run in a car, that is just a nightmare fore everybody in the world.
but if you have a chance on foot,
i mean if you are down in a steep canyon and a big ol ranger asks you to please stop while he takes a shot off his inhaler,
by all means, the leo should be dispatched, i mean, c'mon,
how many times,
besides, it;s a rush to ditch the cops,
we used to swing on the flag pole at grant school until the cops showed up.
then we would sprint down to the play ground and lay flat as a pancake behind the six inch high tanbark enclosure,
the poor cops didn't have a clue, flash lights a danglin,
i don't think they ever did figure out how we could run so fast,
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MeatBomb
Gym climber
Boise, I dee Hoe
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Aug 28, 2010 - 01:25am PT
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Ammon posts here right? Maybe someday we can get the real story?
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Aug 28, 2010 - 01:27am PT
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I know Wade, but I realized I was guilty too.
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R.B.
Trad climber
Land of the Volcanic Mud Flow
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Aug 28, 2010 - 01:34am PT
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I was at the base of El Crap in '92 gearin up for the Shield route.
I heard what sounded like a big friggin rock cuttin air and burning into the the talus at the base ... then all the sudden ... poof and it sounds like a sail boat's sail. We heard over 10 BASE jumpers do their thing. Floating gracefully over to the meadow and quickly collapsing the chutes ... to a waiting vehicle.
So, it's all about logistics. Sounds like something did not go according to plan.
With that said, hope that noone is hurt doing this ... and being tasered is overkill.
quite simply it appears the cops have over-reacted to this one.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Aug 28, 2010 - 01:44am PT
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planet yosemite - a strange place indeed.
chased down in your spandex by mutants.
i wonder what the bears thought.
they should change the name to Yosemite National Nark.
or Yosemite Irrational Park.
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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Aug 28, 2010 - 01:58am PT
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Are there any facts in this thread yet? I really don't want to read 111 posts to find them. Any help???
Prod - you know the answer!
The first thing I was told at the Curry Co. orientation is "you are no longer in California. California's liberal laws do not apply here. Everything is a Federal offense."
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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Aug 28, 2010 - 02:10am PT
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Wade Icey,
It's "let's all band together."...not "Let's all ban together."
I noticed MH caught a spelling error of yours(speech vs. speach)earlier.
Yer having a bad grammar & spelling day, eh!
I'm worse(rely heavily on spell check)...no disrespect intended.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Aug 28, 2010 - 02:27am PT
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Trip-you're not reading with intent. I am writing within tent.
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