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AllezAllez510
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - May 19, 2009 - 03:20pm PT
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In the vein of the bad young managers thread...Any good stories about lame backstabbing cooworkers?
I'm a teacher who fell victim to the latest round of layoffs. I asked my fellow 6th grade teachers to not let any of the kids know. Well, one of them could no just keep it to themselves and let a bunch of kids know. Now, all of my kids know. Yes, some are sad, others are glad...but it's the principle. If I ask some co-workers to not tell kids something, should I have a reasonable expectation of compliance?
Any lame cooworker stories from you guys?
P.S. Anybody wanting to make a comment about why I'm on ST when I should be working...please note that I'm on my DUTY FREE lunch period.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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May 19, 2009 - 03:34pm PT
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They only truly owe compliance if required by law.
The thing is I can't figure out why they would bother telling the kids, unless the kids asked about it. Then I wouldn't expect the teacher to lie necessarily.
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TradIsGood
Chalkless climber
the Gunks end of the country
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May 19, 2009 - 04:00pm PT
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"one of them could no just keep it to themselves"
It is bad news for you, but possibly a good day for students. We can only hope that the students now will have a teacher who knows and uses better English, and teaches them better as well.
Losing a job is usually a message that you are not well suited to it. With luck, you will find one that is a better match for your skills.
Best wishes.
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Brian Hench
Trad climber
Laguna Beach, CA
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May 19, 2009 - 04:06pm PT
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Ditto
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UncleDoug
climber
No. Lake Tahoe, CA
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May 19, 2009 - 04:07pm PT
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Ditto the ditto.
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TradIsGood
Chalkless climber
the Gunks end of the country
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May 19, 2009 - 04:10pm PT
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Not at all, granite. There is a multiplier effect. Tens of students are missing an education that they badly need each year.
The taxpayers are paying for it. The parents want their kids to be better educated and better prepared for either jobs or higher education.
Filtering out the under-qualified is, and should be, a part of every business, especially education. The sooner, the better, for two reasons. One - they do less harm. Two - if they aren't filtered out before tenure, they fail to perform for the rest of their careers.
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apogee
climber
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May 19, 2009 - 04:17pm PT
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After about 8 years with an outdoor program, I moved into a managerial position, and had to hire an assistant manager to work with. The one I picked was someone I had had a history of conflicts with, but I chose her because she had a set of skills that our staff would value, and to be quite honest, partly because of her gender.
Not surprisingly, we wound up in conflict, and made efforts to gain a more functional working relationship. All the while, she began working subversively (in my opinion) to build her relationship with our superior as well as several other co-workers, and ultimately I wound up in a situation where it was either her or I. I chose to leave, though it was not a happy decision, and it completely disrupted and redirected my life.
It really sucked, as I had a huge professional and personal commitment to this program, and my naieve, idealistic choice to hire her bit me hard in the *ss. I will always remember that lesson.
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Fresh
Trad climber
meffa, ma
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May 19, 2009 - 04:22pm PT
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"Filtering out the under-qualified is, and should be, a part of every business, especially education. The sooner, the better, for two reasons. One - they do less harm. Two - if they aren't filtered out before tenure, they fail to perform for the rest of their careers."
yeah, but that doesn't mean you have to be a dick about it.
how do you know allez was a crappy teacher? are you just guessing that's the case because he was laid off? because that's laughably insufficient evidence.
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mrtropy
Trad climber
Nor Cal
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May 19, 2009 - 04:27pm PT
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Allezallez510,
Make sure you use your sick days, sometimes you are not able to transfer them between districts.
Trailisgood,
One error typed on climbing message board has no bearing on Allezallez510 as a teacher. However your comment speaks for the type of person you are.
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hafilax
Trad climber
East Van
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May 19, 2009 - 04:38pm PT
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TIG: Not all teachers teach English and nobody is perfect.
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nature
climber
Tucson, AZ
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May 19, 2009 - 04:41pm PT
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DadIsBad just generally sucks all the way around. Not use to it?
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nita
climber
chica from chico, I don't claim to be a daisy
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May 19, 2009 - 04:44pm PT
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TIG, What a asswipe thing to say!
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TradIsGood
Chalkless climber
the Gunks end of the country
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May 19, 2009 - 04:49pm PT
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hafilax, of course. But he said he was a sixth grade teacher. He didn't say he was an art teacher who taught 6th graders, or a music teacher, etc.
So the assumption that he should be teaching English is reasonable.
I did not pick on the grossly misspelled word (twice) or even put [sic] by the "no" when it should have been "not".
I also can't, as Dingus points, out conclude that his peers are any better. But it does seem a step in the right direction for both him and the school system.
I would hope we all wish him well.
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apogee
climber
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May 19, 2009 - 04:52pm PT
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DMT: "Beware the worker who wants your job...."
Um, yeah- the aforementioned coworker was hired into my position after I left. Lesson learned.
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Chaz
Trad climber
Boss Angeles
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May 19, 2009 - 05:01pm PT
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That's the problem, t*r, talent doesn't figure into which teachers get the boot.
I'd be OK with keeping the best teachers and getting rid of the marginal ones (like ones who haven't mastered English).
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Josh Higgins
Trad climber
San Diego
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May 19, 2009 - 05:04pm PT
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As I understand it, teachers in California are rated on length of time in the position, not merit, as a result of the unions. Maybe allezallez5.10 was just hired most recently? Tradisgood, you're being uncool...
Josh
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Chaz
Trad climber
Boss Angeles
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May 19, 2009 - 05:08pm PT
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TIG wasn't out of line.
It's the same as if I came on here as a bartender and told you a Rusty Nail is made with Whiskey.
The one thing you should know is your business!
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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May 19, 2009 - 05:09pm PT
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Lazy eye and TIG, anyone who runs spellcheck or sweats over typos on a climgbing board has way too much fckin time on their hands.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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May 19, 2009 - 05:13pm PT
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That just pure sucks, allez.
But karma will do the bum in. . .
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UncleDoug
climber
No. Lake Tahoe, CA
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May 19, 2009 - 05:25pm PT
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Ditto!!!
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