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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 31, 2008 - 09:11pm PT
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Is it worth the environmental damage it will cause to our oceans? Can we can replace this oil with alternative energy?
Are the Republicans using gas price fear to push an agenda?
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Out on the sand.... man.....
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Jul 31, 2008 - 09:16pm PT
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What environmental damage?
No you can't replace it..... at the same timeframe, price, or reliability.
The Republicans are once again just trying to keep more of your money in your wallet. Go pink, go broke....
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Jul 31, 2008 - 09:18pm PT
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Damn right we should drill off our coasts! All our other nice places too.
It's not fair that beautiful places like Canada and Venezuela should have to trash their environment just so we can avoid spoiling our pristene areas.
We deserve to have all our national treasures ruined for being such a lousy country. Better us than someone else.
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Captain...or Skully
Big Wall climber
Yonder (out in the sagebrush)
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Jul 31, 2008 - 09:22pm PT
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Go pink, go broke?!?!! I've been broke FOREVER...I don't FEEL pink...Drill anywhere you want. If I don't like it, you'll know(from the smoke).
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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 31, 2008 - 09:23pm PT
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They will never land a man on the moon......Oh they already did.
You mean we can't supply a majority of our power with wind and sun in 10 years? Germany is doing it.
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Jul 31, 2008 - 09:24pm PT
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No, but we should put up a whacking giant wind farm right off the coast in front of the Bush vacation home in Kennebunkport. If there was oil there, I'd suggest we drill there first.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jul 31, 2008 - 09:25pm PT
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You're anticipating enviro damage, we have way better technique now. Drilling doesn't cause damage.
Drill her now!!!
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andanother
climber
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Jul 31, 2008 - 09:26pm PT
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If it were a viable solution, then it would probably be worth the environmental damage.
But the fact is, it's not going to lower gas prices. It's just going to prolong the inevitable.
Russ, I know you're just trolling. But despite what is currently happening in our country, there are many people that are dumb enough to actually think that way. And they vote!
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andanother
climber
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Jul 31, 2008 - 09:30pm PT
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"Bush vacation home in Kennebunkport"
I don't know if GW can go there anymore. Isn't he a wanted man in Maine?
I know he's wanted in Vermont, and I think I remember hearing that Maine was going to do the same.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jul 31, 2008 - 09:32pm PT
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Andy, announcing the prospect of drilling dropped oil prices, just think if we actually started drilling.
It won't supply the whole country indefinately, but it would change the market in a consumer-positive direction.
Duh!
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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 31, 2008 - 09:32pm PT
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Perhaps we should make all new homes and buildings zero energy where solar or wind are available?
Peddle power in the basemant to charge the home batteries. Get in shape, or get your gardener in shape charging the house.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jul 31, 2008 - 09:35pm PT
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I don't think he'd be opposed to drilling next to his actual home in Texas if there was oil there.
Y'all got the BDS. Quit focusing on Bush and get Congress to do something productive other than having a day of 'slavery apologies'. WTF?
They're to blame, not the pres.
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Chewbongka
climber
लघिमा
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Jul 31, 2008 - 09:35pm PT
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If I drill a pinko will it cause a stinko?
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Jul 31, 2008 - 09:38pm PT
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I wonder if it was discovered that there were oil reserves underneath Manhattan, what the likely hood of drilling would be. That would be just the most fantastic conundrum.
Of course, they would probably just go "in" through Staten Island and slurp it out....
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nick d
Trad climber
nm
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Jul 31, 2008 - 09:47pm PT
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"No you can't replace it..... "
Russ is absolutely right! You CAN'T replace our coastlines or fishing industry!
By the way Bluehole, no environmental damage from drilling? I'm guessing you did not grow up in, nor live now in the oil patch. I guess that's why you're with the Bushies on denigrating that "reality based thinking".
Good luck in fantasyland.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jul 31, 2008 - 09:52pm PT
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What you misguided people don't understand is that for at least the next 10 years (prolly 20) cars will require gasoline which means oil. We can either buy it from foreign sources and be beholden to their politics and conflicts which affects the market price, or we can change the dynamic of the market and say, "f*#k you, we can produce our own for a while".
It's not an endless supply and we should not drill it all.
Windmill farms and tidal current electricity doesn't change the price of gasoline oil. It changes coal-fired electrical supply to our homes.
We need to drill to get prices down and change the Saudi/South American market dynamic as well as develop ways to supply power to our homes using wind, solar, hydro, and nuclear power.
Stop being so anti-oil...we need it right now unless you like buying gas at 5 or 6 dollars a gallon, Johnson.
We also need to subsidize GM, Ford, Chrysler to develop new technolgy for cars that doesn't use oil.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Jul 31, 2008 - 09:54pm PT
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hap, it would indeed be an interesting scenario for Manhatten, NYC--I can almost imagine the film that would be made from it.
I was told that the reason they can build high-rise structures there is that Manhatten Island is a big ol' slab of granite. Maybe under the slab, though. Geologists out there ?
OT edit: I seem to remember a climbed named "Tankers in the Channel" that overlooked the Santa Barbara/Ventura oil rigs that Reagan pushed for. It didn't alter the experience that I had climbing there. Same area had "Clubbing Baby Seals" and some glued/chipped hard .12--the place name escapes me, but it up in the Santa Barbara hills. NOT Brickyard, Gibralter area, Green Dome, Fire Crags or Lizard's Mouth?
Anyhoo, that seemed to say to me that climbers protect their home turf/ backyard stone first, and maybe that's the way it ought to be.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jul 31, 2008 - 09:55pm PT
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Nick, stick it up your a*#, I won't talk to people who insult me.
Maybe you'd rather drill in ANWR then, that's on land. How about the shale-oil, is that cool?
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SammyLee2
Trad climber
Memphis, TN
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Jul 31, 2008 - 10:03pm PT
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There is no such thing as "Oil Independence" because it's a global market. We need to move to energy independence, using nuclear, coal, shale, wind, solar, hydro to produce ELECTRICITY. With unlimited (so to speak) supplies of electricity, we can tell the oil producers to kiss our ass.
Guess how much we will then care about Iraq, Iran, etc.
Oil is a global market. If we produce 30 million gallons a day more than we are now, we will be selling it to China, India and ourselves, just like all the producers are today. Oil is not the final solution. In the meantime, drill, protect, and lower prices.
Quickly, change gears. Move to electrical production. If leadership misses this point, thay doom us to a much lower standard of living. If they understand this, they open us up to the true potiential of the 21'st centry.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jul 31, 2008 - 10:05pm PT
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Word, SammyLee, word.
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