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Hawkeye

climber

State of Mine

Oct 20, 2010 - 02:01pm PT

what did werner say to get that?

bluering

Trad climber

Santa Clara, CA

Oct 20, 2010 - 02:03pm PT

I think Werner can handle himself just fine....

Anastasia

climber

hanging from a crimp and crying for my mama.

Oct 20, 2010 - 02:25pm PT

He is describing himself. Plus we shouldn't care what an idiot thinks, it gives him too much credit.

Studly

Trad climber

Oct 20, 2010 - 02:26pm PT

I don't think that there is anything anyone can do or say that would vilify Werner. Pate's comments are like a lapdog walking by pissing on the Empire State building. Who cares, it certainly doesn't?

donini

Trad climber

Ouray, Colorado

Oct 20, 2010 - 02:27pm PT

Werner needs no defense, his life (well led) and the consistency of his opinions speak for themselves. This ageist thing that crops up on ST seems to be spurred by a real fear of getting older by people who have good reason to be concerned. Getting older is obligatory (if your lucky) staying fit and climbing well is optional- it comes with a price not many are willing to pay.

JEleazarian

Trad climber

Fresno CA

Oct 20, 2010 - 02:34pm PT

Well said, Jim. I still think of the last words in Tom Patey's last song (this is from memory, so it's probably inaccurate):

"From the pitiless slabs of the Nordwand
Where the bivouc sites are few
The ghosts of the host of Old Masters
Are calling this warning to you:

'Live it up, fill your cup, have another
And sow your wild oats while you may
For the toothless old tykes of tomorrow
Were the tigers of yesterday.'"

John

Spider Savage

Mountain climber

SoCal

Oct 20, 2010 - 02:41pm PT

Ignore hate spewing idiots. Hold your hands and don't post on their threads or respond to their taunts.

Keep anarchy alive.

Watusi

Social climber

Newport, OR

Oct 20, 2010 - 02:44pm PT

You're right Spider, replying just enables the Koooks! :)

bjj

climber

beyond the sun

Oct 20, 2010 - 02:59pm PT

Props to Werner. Even as a 20 something climber just starting out years ago, I knew who he was and what he contributed to the climbing world. TTT for the custodian (with the utmost respect) of Astroman!

Peter Haan

Trad climber

San Francisco, CA

Oct 20, 2010 - 03:04pm PT

Agreed Spider and Watusi. It works in the animal kingdom. Marginalize the bad-acting, unempathic freaks and they will suffer on their lonesome, unable to breed, unable to enjoy the protection of the group, unable to get food or much food and will wither. It’s just Darwinian.

Brokedownclimber

Trad climber

Douglas, WY

Oct 20, 2010 - 03:48pm PT

So...we're all voting Pate for a Darwin Award? !!!!

nutjob

Trad climber

Berkeley, CA

Oct 20, 2010 - 03:58pm PT

If we are banning based on conduct, I think the behavior itself should be the issue, and not the people who are target(s).

Regardless of each of our accomplishments in life and where we have chosen to apply ourselves (or not), I think there is a baseline respect we should demand from each other based solely on our qualifications as human beings.

The motivation is to keep our social virtual community somewhat clean, much like we would want our physical community somewhat clean. There's a spectrum and different people have different tolerances for the level of clutter or trash or "art" etc. But in general, most people don't like to trip over turds and have to see it everywhere. Maybe there is a potential thread drift to define "what constitutes a turd?"

But back to my initial point... whether the target is Werner or anyone else (including Pate), the same measuring stick for behavior should be applied in my opinion.

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Oct 20, 2010 - 03:59pm PT

"unable to breed"?

OMG!

ST does THAT?

couchmaster

climber

pdx

Oct 20, 2010 - 04:09pm PT

Add another virtual hug for Werner, and Merry too! Ignore the mentally sick (Pate) as all of us normal folks luv ya bro! It's one thing to have someone get pissed and fire up another. So hat? We all get over it...usual. But Some folks like Pate take to to a real real sick droning on and on and on with mean stupid angry juvenile posts. If you could turn your head and avoid them, fine. But you can't as that's all you get form a couple of thee knuckleheads. They should STFU and move along. We at least know who Werner is, and he still climbs as seen here on Sacher last time I was in the valley and he was waiting for us to get off the climb for his turn.

Hey, anyone tell Werner it doesn't cost extra to put in more pro? LOL! Hi Werner! You rule!

nutjob

Trad climber

Berkeley, CA

Oct 20, 2010 - 04:11pm PT

And so begins the formal declaration of rules, the civilizing of the wilds, the removal of freedoms, and the destruction of that which drew us here in the first place.

Or maybe there is a middle way between totally wild mountains hosting bands of murderers and thieves, and a kiddie-park with signs that say "do not walk on the grass."

note to self: STFU, quit procrastinating, get back to work!

happiegrrrl

Trad climber

New York, NY

Oct 20, 2010 - 04:15pm PT

Three cheers for Werner Braun. I missed seeing him this time at Facelift; my own fault for not seeking him out. The few times I have met him, he has been just like the guy here online at Supertopo.

Jingy

climber

Somewhere out there

Oct 20, 2010 - 04:17pm PT

I agree with Ana: "He is describing himself. Plus we shouldn't care what an idiot thinks, it gives him too much credit."

I do see the disrespect, but I can care less, because I know Werner enough to know that this means nothing to him. He follows the word of one, and there is no nudging him off course. But I do agree, the disrespect is not really needed.

As far as I am concerned, Werners doin just fine.