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Mason
Trad climber
Yay Area
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 22, 2010 - 07:47pm PT
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And Democrats and Republicans are the same thing.
And why can't we be more innovative in our thinking to solve our problems?
And why are we letting these idiots spend us into debt ridden oblivion?
And why haven't we voted/impeached these same politicians out of office yet?
And...this one time...at band camp...
This community is filled with great people, talented and very genuine and down to earth. I'm glad to know everyone here. So...
This thread is dedicated to you all and to forward, progressive thinking, new and innovative ideas on how to get this country and this planet out of the mess the self-serving, greedy politicians and bankers put it in.
No negativity or blaming is allowed. Only positive reinforcement and great ideas, no matter how crazy you may think they sound. Every idea is welcome here.
Let's put our heads together and come up with solutions instead of bickering and blaming and not doing anything about it.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 22, 2010 - 07:52pm PT
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The guy who shoes my donkey seems to think he can attach a generator to an electric motor and produce more electricity than the contraption uses.
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Mason
Trad climber
Yay Area
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 22, 2010 - 07:56pm PT
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And how do you feel about that, Chaz? Any way to improve on that idea?
Thanks for stepping up first!
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 22, 2010 - 07:58pm PT
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I didn't laugh, at least not out loud. Even when he claimed it's Big Oil who killed the idea.
I used to wonder if a hydro-electric generator could be fitted inside a garden hose to power a small light close to the valve so I could see to water my trees at night. Then they came out with the solar-powered LED lamps, which actually work.
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Mason
Trad climber
Yay Area
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 22, 2010 - 08:03pm PT
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It is pretty funny. I would probably have laughed, so you are right on.
I don't think criticizing helps anyone, even if it's intended to be helpful. Dale Carnegie said people don't handle it well.
The solar power LED lamps work at night?
The generator in the hose is a good idea, use the water pressure as a power source.
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BooDawg
Social climber
Paradise Island
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Jul 22, 2010 - 08:31pm PT
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Bill Mollison, founder of permaculture design, says that if we want to solve our economic & environmental problems, we should stay home and garden. Of course that would mean abandoning the nomadic lifestyles that climbers often live... But Survival and others who have posted on his garden thread are a part of this solution.
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Norwegian
Trad climber
Placerville, California
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Jul 22, 2010 - 09:23pm PT
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genius happens when you fall off the edge of modern comfortable thought.
when you find yourself so far gone that creativity and risk seem to be your only weapons of hope if you are again to gain the common plane. the absurdity of your position gestates a wobble in your thoughts, and you embark upon imaginations and knowledges that elude those whom are coasting along according to habit and thick, gooey paradigms.
tomorrow's problems are borne within all of us, as dictated by our intellectual progession, which is driven by uncheckable forces.
solutions usually create deviate problems. so it is a game of sprinting around in circles, like our earth around the sun, sometimes we are lost and cold in shadow, and sometimes we are glaring with the brilliance of enlightenment.
yesterday and tomorrow are only the periphery of today.
live with one foot kicking asse and the other foot tapping dance.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jul 22, 2010 - 09:31pm PT
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Fiscal conservatism IS yesterday's thinking. "progressive" thinking isn't necessarily always better. Sounds nice and superior though, don't it? Makes you feel all good inside.
And exactly what are tomorrows problems? Energy?
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Ricardo Cabeza
climber
All Over.
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Jul 22, 2010 - 09:36pm PT
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Blue, if you're not progressive, are you regressive?
Is the opposite of progress congress?
If more than half our budget is military spending, than less than half is for what it's defending.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jul 22, 2010 - 09:40pm PT
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You can't solve tomorrows problems without an understanding and appreciation of history.
The laws of physics and human nature are immutable.
There are no new problems,
only new permutations.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jul 22, 2010 - 10:00pm PT
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Re-funding NASA and letting her continue her programs would be a huge benefit to tomorrow's problems. Namely the Moon mission, Shuttle programs, and Mars research programs.
Ricardo, I've heard the 'clever' word-play jokes. It's all b.s. Sometimes using old wisdom can help make progress, but a "progressive" it doesn't make (as the term is used nowadays).
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Norwegian
Trad climber
Placerville, California
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Jul 22, 2010 - 10:00pm PT
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bullring fiscal conservatism is really a masked statement, sugarcoating the real agenda of your wing, which is get outta my way so's i can be excessive and socially beligerant.
keep prices down so i can sustain my cultural gluttony on the cheap.
you better drink a beer so you can feel good inside.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jul 22, 2010 - 10:04pm PT
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bullring fiscal conservatism is really a masked statement, sugarcoating the real agenda of your wing, which is get outta my way so's i can be excessive and socially beligerant.
This shows your ignorance and partisanship. MY wing isn't the Repub's. It's anybody who is fiscally conservative. Repub's aren't that right now!!!
Socially belligerent? What? WTF are you talking about?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jul 22, 2010 - 10:41pm PT
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And before anybody asks, the NASA program brought us this technology;
http://www.bloomenergy.com/
Of course, the NASA space program brought us many, many other things we take for granted today. It's an valuable program that can't really be measured in the dollars that used to fund it (pre-Obama). He is killing it.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jul 22, 2010 - 10:45pm PT
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That's fine, Ricardo. I hate rap but I'm used to all the plays on 'regressive', 'progressive', 'congress', etc...
It's all a distraction from the issues once you've heard it once or twice...
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Ricardo Cabeza
climber
All Over.
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Jul 22, 2010 - 10:45pm PT
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Also, Blue, what's your stance on Obamas speech today regarding cutting the fat on government oversight?
To me, it reaffirmed my faith in our POTUS, he signed into law the biggest overhaul of needless tax spending since JFK.
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Mason
Trad climber
Yay Area
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 22, 2010 - 10:49pm PT
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Blue, you're saying that we should use the same 200 year old, or 2000 year old thinking that's been enshrined in our collective consciousness and that things will get better on their own? Do you observe a whole lot of anything other than what you consider to be the truth and the right way of doing things?
You don't see any problems with today and tomorrow? You don't see issues robbing future generation's intellect and creativity? You honestly think that things can't be better for humans?
Funding the NASA program is a great idea. I'll pay taxes for that. To add to your thoughts, I think it would be great to do research on space travel and missions to Mars for colonization even if it's NOT PROFITABLE.
TGT, there are many problems which have recurred throughout history and in my recent readings of financial history, crises and such, I see them repeated today almost as if they just happened yesterday. But, there are new problems as well.
-Pollution
-Chemicals that leech into our food and water and cause mutations and disease
-Starvation of third world economies due to excess supply in developed countries (ironic, i know)
-Depletion of non-renewable energy resources
I think there are great ideas out there, but i think they are snuffed out of existence by "big oil" or by powerful lobbyists or whoever you want.
Norwegian, maybe there's a better way, not a solution, but a better, more efficient way of doing things?
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jul 22, 2010 - 11:08pm PT
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"Pollution
-Chemicals that leech into our food and water and cause mutations and disease
-Starvation of third world economies due to excess supply in developed countries (ironic, i know)
-Depletion of non-renewable energy resources"
None of those problems are "new"
The Romans had insidious lead poisoning as did the Mongol empire.
Starvation in third world economies has nothing to do with the first world and everything to do with local despotism.
Resource depletion has always led to despotism and even cannibalism (Anasazi and Maya)
"There's nothing new under the sun"
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Norwegian
Trad climber
Placerville, California
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Jul 22, 2010 - 11:16pm PT
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maybe we need a new word.
something like phoenix.
who leaned those letters together?
anyway how does one go about inventing a new word?
we are limited in thought and expression by the finite means with which we can dream outloud.
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